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MineralMan

(147,573 posts) Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:54 PM Sunday

The Following Types of Statements Are Not Information, Nor Facts [View all]

"We feel certain that there has been hacking or corruption of ballots." - Feeling something is not information.

"There is no way that Trump won all of the swing states." Again, that is not information. It is a belief based on incredulity. Incredulity is not evidence.

"Trump must have cheated to have won." That is also not information. It is supposition, based on a dislike of the apparent results.

"There were over 600,000 'bullet ballots." Show them to everyone. Otherwise, that statement is just a claim of something else which has no evidence.

Find real evidence or stop claiming it exists. Demonstrate the truth of those statements and THEN call for recounts and investigations. Every state has a process for recounting election results. Start there. Find the evidence; don't just claim there must be evidence. Evidence either exists or it does not.

Trump made the same claims in 2020. He took is "evidence" to 61 federal court cases, where they were found not to be evidence at all. 60 of those cases were simply thrown out of court. Trump lost, fairly and squarely.

If we're going to use the same techniques Trump used, we are going to get the same results he got.

If there was election misconduct, we need to present EVIDENCE of that conduct, not our belief that it occurred. Otherwise, we're simply wasting our time.

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The Following Types of Statements Are Not Information, Nor Facts [View all] MineralMan Sunday OP

Agree! Or we could just lie shamelessly and repeatedly and make stuff up. surfered Sunday #1

Why is it easier to believe ibegurpard Sunday #2

I find it pretty easy to believe that a convicted felon... Think. Again. Sunday #4

Thinking that the elections officials in all those states were all in on it is a tough idea to swallow. Fish700 Sunday #5

Yeah, I agree, why would you think they are? Think. Again. Sunday #10

And the DNC, SCantiGOP Sunday #46

Yep, hard to believe he and the rethugs would suddenly stop cheating. We all know trump has cheated all his life... brush Sunday #11

And republicans have been known to cheat in elections PatSeg Sunday #27

Well said. Think. Again. Sunday #31

Yeah, it's so ridiculous to believe... bikes and bunnies Sunday #33

And yet he failed miserably in 2020 SCantiGOP Sunday #47

Because the results of this election Mike 03 Sunday #9

Any hard evidence can only be "discovered" through recounts, a catch 22? Think. Again. Sunday #3

There are post-election audits going on in many states, including Minnesota. MineralMan Sunday #7

Yes, I just did a post on audits... Think. Again. Sunday #12

May not be factional or informational, but they are opinionated. republianmushroom Sunday #6

I'm not sure what "factional" or "pinioned" means in your sentence. MineralMan Sunday #8

Thank you, yes, my error, see my correction to "pinioned" in posting. republianmushroom Sunday #13

Yes. That is what I was asking. MineralMan Sunday #14

Then you don't need to respond to me, if, all you want is facts. republianmushroom Sunday #17

You are replying in my thread, which is why I'm responding to you. MineralMan Sunday #18

Okay, except for this: intheflow Sunday #15

But, by what means did he cheat? MineralMan Sunday #19

No. intheflow Monday #55

Gerrymandering and micro-targeted misinformation/nt dickthegrouch Monday #56

Recounts could uncover evidence which won't be found without recounts. bucolic_frolic Sunday #16

There are recounts going on right now in a number of states. MineralMan Sunday #20

Unfortunately those audits and recounts are only concerned with "close margins"... Think. Again. Sunday #34

What evidence is there of those? MineralMan Sunday #36

Evidence that won't and can't be found without audits and recounts that look for it. Think. Again. Sunday #41

Except there are audits EdmondDantes_ Sunday #21

"Trump made the same claims in 2020" and what happened 4 years later, HE WON. Anger drives turnout. Let them believe it krawhitham Sunday #22

Record turn out in 2020. czarjak Sunday #23

Why is it weird? ibegurpard Sunday #24

Why do you think it's weird that we fell short of the all-time record? Iggo Sunday #25

People on this website MUST present evidence? dpibel Sunday #26

The writer of at least some of those statements was calling for a recount of paper ballots in the swing states, pnwmom Sunday #28

The problem is he states that as fact without providing Wiz Imp Sunday #49

After reading the letter at the link SickOfTheOnePct Sunday #50

+1000 nt WarGamer Sunday #29

forward voteragain Sunday #30

The reason trump Figarosmom Sunday #32

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sunday #35

Trump DID cheat in 2020 Blue_Tires Sunday #37

Republicans would cheat again and they know they'll get away with it dflprincess Sunday #42

Agreed... Blue_Tires Sunday #43

He told us he didn't need any more votes before Election Day. Hope22 Sunday #45

No one is saying he wouldn't cheat, that is spun out the air. TheKentuckian Sunday #54

Thank you, thank you, thank you Hekate Sunday #38

Voter suppression crud Sunday #39

Challenging voter registrations 90-percent Sunday #44

we should never doubt the stupidity of the ameriKan voter, no other excuse needed. nt yaesu Sunday #40

I would add that people should moniss Sunday #48

Here's a fact oldtime dfl_er Sunday #51

Evidence is obtained by investigation, not by presuming all is as it should be. Hermit-The-Prog Sunday #52

How is ForgedCrank Sunday #53