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Ms. Toad

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128. What I see is a man trying to shift blame away from himself and onto women

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 10:27 AM

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I countered that with facts which demonstrate that women held steady, while multiple other demographic groups shifted toward Trump. So if you want to shift blame away from your demographic, Trump, stop pushing it toward women, which is one of the few demographic groups which did not shift toward Trump.

Also, you will not find a single post of mine, ever, in a which I blamed a single demographic group of voters for this loss, it any other. So walk that tired dog elsewhere.

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45% of women voted for Trump. Yet, folks here are blaming men for Kamala's loss? [View all] PeaceWave Nov 15 OP

Lazy journalism using grossly oversimplified gender stats Fiendish Thingy Nov 15 #1

I took a Rutgers-Eagleton class on Woman & Politics and a solid 45% of women voted paternalistic since 1974. TheBlackAdder Nov 15 #12

Thank you for this response. It goes to what I'm getting at. How do we change this pattern? PeaceWave Nov 15 #14

It seems to be an immovable object. TheBlackAdder Nov 15 #17

And yet the data for subgroups of women shows otherwise Fiendish Thingy Nov 15 #34

45% is STILL a minority.. whathehell Saturday #89

Yes, but one that is offset by the larger gender bias men have towards women. TheBlackAdder Saturday #91

I read somewhere that Trump grabbed 55% of the male vote. taxi Nov 15 #2

Yes ... barely. AlanAdam Saturday #48

There is also the weird perception mr715 Nov 15 #3

Are we all on gender teams now? Ilikepurple Nov 15 #4

Really a lot of sexism in that article. travelingthrulife Saturday #65

The content of the op is simply the op's opinion, not the BBC writers'. spooky3 Sunday #116

Yes, how dare people blame men for Trump winning Wiz Imp Nov 15 #5

It's misogynistic to point out that fewer women voted for Kamala than men for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 15 #6

Are you serious? Wiz Imp Nov 15 #18

If by "this person" you are referring to me, I am not "twisting myself in knots" to do anything other than... PeaceWave Nov 15 #19

Why are you blaming women rather than focusing on this FACT? spooky3 Nov 15 #29

Okay, I'll bite. UniqueUserName Saturday #60

"they valued White privilege over women's issues" GreenEyedLefty Sunday #110

What? That statement is incorrect. yardwork Saturday #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Saturday #54

Been a lot of that blaming shit going on lately... Wounded Bear Nov 15 #7

And yet, somehow, the candidate or the campaign team or the party elites and all of their decisions Seeking Serenity Nov 15 #8

I guess we don't want to win back any voters we lost to Trump SunImp Nov 15 #13

Come up with some meaningful strategies to do that and I'm right there with you... Wounded Bear Nov 15 #15

No, I'm saying the same thing SunImp Nov 15 #16

Run a middle-aged white straight protestant man Scrivener7 Saturday #82

Sadly, that's what we'll have to do. Thankfully, there are a few of them out there... Wounded Bear Saturday #92

Doesn't have to be white or Protestant GreenEyedLefty Sunday #111

I disagree. What we are seeing is contagious. Scrivener7 Sunday #112

I agree with this but my point was GreenEyedLefty Sunday #113

Definitely. Breaks my damn heart. Scrivener7 Sunday #114

I'd guess we do want to win back those voters.. whathehell Saturday #93

Yeah, but this is among the most moronic. Scrivener7 Saturday #80

Sickening and outdated stereotypes Walleye Saturday #90

If tRump is who men identify with...... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 15 #9

Again, 45% of women identified with Trump. My question is why? PeaceWave Nov 15 #10

Lack of self esteem perhaps? ProudMNDemocrat Nov 15 #11

misogyny is actually pretty prevalent with women Takket Nov 15 #21

Like all oppressed groups, women tend to internalize whathehell Saturday #55

Same as many of the factors associated with men's voting for him spooky3 Nov 15 #31

Their preachers told them to... Hope22 Saturday #51

very easy answer recovering_democrat Saturday #86

Oblivious to face-eating leopards perhaps? Zambero Saturday #87

Yes. I'm blaming men. Quiet Em Nov 15 #20

Because those guys are a holes. We get that. But, it's akin to... PeaceWave Nov 15 #22

Trump supporters and his campaign made it very clear that this was a movement against women Quiet Em Nov 15 #23

And, it doesn't deeply concern you that 45% of women STILL voted for Trump? PeaceWave Nov 15 #24

Of course I am. Quiet Em Nov 15 #25

Without discounting the existence of mental abuse that absolutely does exist... PeaceWave Nov 15 #28

No. It's not a reach. Quiet Em Nov 15 #30

An additional 2% of all the Men in every racial whathehell Monday #121

I don't get how "out of fear" works, they can vote for whoever & tell hubby the voted for the orangutang, right? EX500rider Saturday #66

Never mind wryter2000 Nov 15 #26

Women shop at grocery stores more than men at140 Nov 15 #27

Every woman in my extended family is the primary shopper. All voted for Kamala. PeaceWave Nov 15 #33

Your extended family is not representative of all women at140 Saturday #35

My Mom is an immigrant from Guatemala. Feel free to tell me more about my family. PeaceWave Saturday #36

Who said all Guatemalans are poor? at140 Saturday #75

Mass deportations and insane tariffs have a zero percent chance of not increasing food prices TheKentuckian Saturday #69

Where did you read I was offering tariffs as a solution? at140 Saturday #78

That was the alternative so I don't see any room for excuses. TheKentuckian Saturday #84

As we're hauled off to the gulag we'll be seen screaming at each other, "It's your fault!!!" jalan48 Nov 15 #32

One thing I know for sure Meowmee Saturday #39

I don't care for the blame games either Quiet Em Saturday #41

What's hard to understand? DiamondShark Saturday #37

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency Quiet Em Saturday #38

This is what has been related to me by women both in their personal lives and in their corporate jobs. PeaceWave Saturday #44

Seriously? Quiet Em Saturday #47

Are you suggesting that female rivalry in the workplace isn't a thing? Or just ignoring it. PeaceWave Saturday #50

You need to make better female friends. yardwork Saturday #67

I'm straight, and I have found the same. Scrivener7 Saturday #83

I know! It's almost unbelievable. yardwork Saturday #88

It's a quote. DiamondShark Saturday #57

this is such bullshit. nt GenThePerservering Saturday #63

It's a quote from OP. DiamondShark Saturday #73

Have you ever heard of Internalized Misandry'? whathehell Saturday #76

I quoted OP and asked a question. DiamondShark Sunday #108

I replied to your question whathehell Sunday #109

It was sarcasm. I was +1 K&R PeaceWave's OP DiamondShark Sunday #115

Sure, whatever.. whathehell Sunday #119

Not my fault, your sarcasm detector is broken. DiamondShark Monday #123

There's a lot of blame to go around. BannonsLiver Saturday #40

It's mostly White xtian voters who are a larger group than others JI7 Saturday #42

At the end of the day, the question is this... PeaceWave Saturday #43

The last Democrat to win a majority of the white vote (men and women)? Dem4life1970 Saturday #45

Why are you bringing up race? This thread is addressing gender voting issues. PeaceWave Saturday #46

Numbers within the numbers..... marmar Saturday #64

Just being real, as I said. Dem4life1970 Saturday #105

45% of WHITE women with little or no college education tenderfoot Saturday #49

Compared to 69% of White MEN with little to no whathehell Saturday #59

He certainly got the poorly educated WHITE vote tenderfoot Saturday #71

It would seem so, although he did, whathehell Saturday #74

Many American Women Love Трамп MrWowWow Saturday #52

More American Men than Women love Trump.. whathehell Saturday #58

92% of black women voted for Harris. ismnotwasm Saturday #53

75% of black men voted for Harris bigtree Saturday #68

Yup ismnotwasm Saturday #70

The most vocal trump supporters I've met have been women. nt RandiFan1290 Saturday #56

Because more men than women voted Trump Ndp5 Saturday #61

Okay, we get it....you want the Democratic party Bettie Saturday #72

white women, to be precise. And white men. CousinIT Saturday #77

Oh, FFS. Scrivener7 Saturday #79

Hate and social media and ignorance trumps. So many people voting for Trump LizBeth Saturday #81

They are not finished counting ballots Farmer-Rick Saturday #85

Math that up. AkFemDem Saturday #94

Also- I love my women friends AkFemDem Saturday #95

Can you believe this shit? Next they'll be saying we're upset because our wombs are moving around. Scrivener7 Saturday #97

Maybe the reasons women vote for Trump and the reasons men do are not the same. milestogo Saturday #96

Sorry, but this guy is explicitly blaming women for Trump's win Wiz Imp Saturday #98

Wrong. I'm asking folks to be accountable, rather than simply blame one demographic group. PeaceWave Saturday #100

Your quote is a rimshot. Sorry. nt GenThePerservering Saturday #102

I blame all the blociheads who didn't vote against Trump. Ping Tung Saturday #99

Anybody notice that there are a lot threads lately masquerading as "election analysis," but which are just Scrivener7 Saturday #101

Yes, the BBC thing confused me. I think it was to find the stats? Ilikepurple Saturday #106

Yes hmmm Meowmee Monday #125

I blame everyone who didn't vote or voted for the Orange Abomination. LoisB Saturday #103

Last time I took math, back in the last millenium, 55 was more than 45. niyad Saturday #104

lol Meowmee Monday #122

" Instead, they describe never ending competition over every little personal detail and a tendency to tear each other do BlueWaveNeverEnd Saturday #107

As compared to Biden, Harris lost more men, more minorities, younger voters, and low-income voters Ms. Toad Sunday #117

How can you be content that "women held steady" when the opponent was a rapist? PeaceWave Sunday #118

I didn't say I was content. I was responding to your assertion that women, not men, are to blame. Ms. Toad Monday #124

Read my post again. Nowhere did I say that "women, not men, are to blame." PeaceWave Monday #126

What I see is a man trying to shift blame away from himself and onto women Ms. Toad Monday #128

We're at an impasse. You're willing to accept the status quo where "women hold steady." I am not. PeaceWave Monday #129

You are the one who chose the group. Ms. Toad Monday #130

Too much focus on abortion. confoosed Sunday #120

Women can be DemonGoddess Monday #127