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Self Esteem

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20. Harris did worse among minorities than both Biden and Hillary.

Mon Dec 2, 2024, 10:08 PM

Dec 2

Black and Hispanic men especially.

Black men supported Hillary by a margin of +69 points.

Black men supported Harris by a margin of +56 points.

That's a swing of thirteen points since 2016.

Are we suggesting Black men are racist against Black women? After all, they supported Hillary by a large number. So, it can't be a sex issue (in fact, Hillary did +9 points better than Biden among Black men.

Hispanic men supported Hillary by a margin of +31 points.

Harris actually lost Hispanic men by a margin of ten-points.

In 2020, Biden was +23 with Hispanic men. So, like with Black men, he did worse than Hillary.

White men?

In 2016, they supported Trump by a margin of +31 vs Hillary.

In 2024, they supported Trump by a margin of +22 vs Harris.

That means Harris did nine-points better than Hillary vs Trump.

She did one-point better vs Trump than Biden did (Trump was +23 vs Biden in 2020).

Harris lost because she lost ground among Black and Hispanic voters.

She did worse than Hillary among Hispanic women too.

Hillary was +44 with Hispanic women in 2016.

Harris was only +19.

That's a huge difference.

Even Black women supported Hillary by a wider margin than Harris, albeit the shift was marginal.

In 2016, she won Black women by a margin of +90.

Harris won Black women by a margin of +85.

That five-point shift is still significant, tho.

In the end, white people shifted more toward Harris. People of color shifted more away from Harris.

I'm not sure it's smart to call Black men sexist (especially when they voted more for Hillary in 2016 than Biden) or Hispanic women racist. That is not going to resonate with these groups and it certainly won't win 'em back.

Data:

2016: https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls

2020: https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

2024: https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0

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There was nothing wrong with the Democratic message [View all] Quiet Em Dec 2 OP

Our message is fine yes. Irish_Dem Dec 2 #1

Absolutely. Quiet Em Dec 2 #2

Post removed Post removed Dec 2 #31

None of this means anything if the PutinGOP is cheating to win. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #39

Didn't even spell the Vice President's name correctly, Quiet Em Dec 3 #45

You seem to use the word "woke" in a derogatory way Quiet Em Dec 3 #47

Our message can always be improved... SnoopDog Dec 2 #3

We have no media for the Democratic Party,. That is why we lost. rich7862 Dec 2 #26

Seems Self-Contradicting ProfessorGAC Dec 2 #4

Half of society is cheering on the cruelty and boorish behavior Quiet Em Dec 2 #5

Then We Disagree ProfessorGAC Dec 2 #7

Just a quick glance at any election comments on social media Quiet Em Dec 2 #9

That's Not Remotely Quantitative ProfessorGAC Dec 2 #10

OK, then explain to me how running against, DEI, transgender people, women being treated as Quiet Em Dec 2 #11

Well said BaronChocula Dec 2 #18

Well, markodochartaigh Dec 2 #17

The war on reality lame54 Dec 2 #6

The war on reality jfz9580m Dec 3 #40

Real Wage Index is lowest in 70 years so telling some one the economy is great while ... uponit7771 Dec 2 #8

I know Reddit doesn't let you hot link images BumRushDaShow Dec 2 #13

I heard Harris focus on the economy, including increasing taxes on the wealthy. yardwork Dec 2 #14

It's hard to craft a winning message when you're the party in power. Self Esteem Dec 2 #19

Yep, their message now should be to hold Trump to a higher economic standard then they had knowing uponit7771 Dec 3 #50

Addressing the high price of groceries could of been as simple as questionseverything Dec 3 #55

Sure. But again, when you're the party in power, the next logical question is the same... Self Esteem Dec 3 #56

She should of pushed the idea while campaigning questionseverything Dec 3 #57

Have you learned nothing from our media?. We're supposed to blame ourselves when assholes vote for an asshole. hay rick Dec 2 #12

Hmmm disagree Abstractartist Dec 2 #15

I disagree...you can't reach ingrained racist sexist ppl, rich and poor alike that will never vote for a WOC, or any woman PortTack Dec 2 #16

Harris did worse among minorities than both Biden and Hillary. Self Esteem Dec 2 #20

So, less Black and Hispanic voters voted for a woman of color. Justice matters. Dec 2 #29

I think this will be an election where a lot of people cut off their noses to spite their face. Self Esteem Dec 3 #49

Hold on. No one requested actual facts. Jk23 Dec 3 #52

We need to concentrate on the swing states questionseverything Dec 3 #54

This is probably LilElf70 Dec 2 #21

I had lots of repubs say, " he didn't do anything wrong or Biden would of put him in jail " questionseverything Dec 3 #53

Not JUST that Quanta Dec 2 #22

The sickness can only be cured by a specific message and policies ColinC Dec 2 #23

Right, let's keep it up iemanja Dec 2 #24

100 percent correct karin_sj Dec 2 #25

Wrong IMO Beakybird Dec 2 #27

Somehow I don't think our takeaway (well, if we actually want to win elections) should be 'the voters suck!' nt kelly1mm Dec 2 #28

Agreed. Six117 Dec 2 #30

Not "half the country." A huge number of people never bothered to vote. valleyrogue Dec 2 #33

IMO Cosmocat Dec 3 #36

Kamala Harris ran a flawless campaign. valleyrogue Dec 2 #32

If the campaign was flawless then she could not have won under any circumstances Shrek Dec 3 #43

Correct. Blaming, creating Democrats as fictional enemies. The key is "establishment." Only FDR isn't establishment, betsuni Dec 2 #34

"Our message was not the problem. Our current society is the problem." J_William_Ryan Dec 3 #35

This is the result of decades of continuous.. MaeScott Dec 3 #37

THANK YOU for posting. Jit423 Dec 3 #38

Stupid and wilfully ignorant people are the problem. Emile Dec 3 #41

You can only take that argument so far. Asa13 Dec 3 #42

Go on offense ThePartyThatListens Dec 3 #44

The 3 reasons that the Dems lost videohead5 Dec 3 #46

#4, 5, and 6 - racists, misogynists, and idiots RandomNumbers Dec 3 #58

Well, clearly they didn't buy what we were selling. alarimer Dec 3 #48

There is a problem with our message standingtall Dec 3 #51

Yes there was. dawg Dec 3 #59