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Irish_Dem

(59,727 posts)
17. Yes most Americans have no idea what it is like in a fascist country.
Tue Dec 3, 2024, 03:45 PM
Dec 3

Moscow sounds more like China after the economy changed significantly after 2000 or so.
Repression and danger still there, but with a civilized veneer.

We could feel it for sure. And as foreigners we were given special treatment and it was still scary as hell. In the airport in Guangzhou prior to departure out of the country I had some sort of paperwork snafu (which was resolved quickly), but in the middle of it I saw a group of red hat police approaching me and my life passed before my eyes and I started to cry. I thought for sure I was done for. After two weeks in China, I knew the drill. It turned out to be a minor problem in the end. But if taking pictures of the hotel and sitting on a stone got me in trouble with the red hats, I didn't know what they would do next.

Oh yes the same thing in China. Obviously potentially dangerous roads, sidewalks, animals and no one cares. There are no liability attorneys, and the government does not care or the repair money is stolen by corrupt officials. One thing I saw in China one time was hundreds of pills all thrown into the street. I pointed out to the guide that this was dangerous, children could eat them.
The guide looked puzzled as in no one cares about this issue.

Also there were no birds in China the first time I was there. The pollution was horrific and had killed all the birds. After the economic miracle, the sunlight and birds came back.

It is so sad. China is a wonderful country, the food, the sights, the people. I loved it.
But it scared the hell out of me too.

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Thank you for reminding me to start hoarding cash. Think. Again. Dec 3 #1
Say some Hail Marys and then go into survival mode. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #2
Right you are and the reason I put moniss Dec 3 #5
Yes America has always had lists. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #7
During the '40's through the '70's moniss Dec 3 #9
Hoover would fit nicely into Trump's government these days wouldn't he? Irish_Dem Dec 3 #10
He sure as hell would! Dem4life1234 Dec 3 #11
Moscow is a beautiful city, or what they show you of it. MuseRider Dec 3 #12
I visited China before and after the economic boon. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #13
Thanks for your story, wow! MuseRider Dec 3 #15
Yes most Americans have no idea what it is like in a fascist country. Irish_Dem Dec 3 #17
Thank you for this intense story, and information!... electric_blue68 Dec 3 #29
Your experience in Russia was certainly very different from mine in 2018. sinkingfeeling Dec 3 #28
Was it better by then or more difficult? MuseRider Dec 4 #33
Much better. I went with 10 others on a guided tour booked through an American company but run by sinkingfeeling Dec 4 #34
holy crap! and i thought i had dark thoughts with my half empty glass. you're way ahead of me--by light years nt orleans Dec 3 #3
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I agree Kilgore Dec 3 #26
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