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154. The words "justice for all" hasn't applied to the USA in decades. When that changes we can have a right or wrong

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I'm Confused. So, When Is It OK to Shoot Someone in the Back on the Street? [View all] MineralMan Dec 5 OP

Never, why would you ask? Think. Again. Dec 5 #1

Are you sure no one has said that, or implied it? MineralMan Dec 5 #7

it seems to me that you and a few others are really trying hard... Think. Again. Dec 5 #18

Nope. I'm just pointing out a bit of a contradiction. MineralMan Dec 5 #41

and many people disagree with your premise. Think. Again. Dec 5 #50

And that's just fine, isn't it? MineralMan Dec 5 #52

Seriously. Think. Again. Dec 5 #54

Have you ever been shot in the back by someone you disagreed with on DU? Scrivener7 Dec 5 #64

Nope. I haven't. MineralMan Dec 5 #71

Well, you're talking about DUers shooting you in the back. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Amanita Pantherina Dec 6 #218

It's not ForgedCrank Dec 5 #79

I really, really, don't see that. Think. Again. Dec 5 #106

Did you see the post that says the shooter should be treated as a "folk hero"? onenote Dec 5 #183

no, I didn't, there are too many posts on this for me to keep up with.... Think. Again. Dec 5 #188

Ditto iamateacher Dec 5 #116

Well, the body of your own post claims it was good. Patton French Dec 5 #104

What the poster doesn't realize is the CEO will be jimfields33 Dec 5 #115

What laws are those? choie Dec 5 #203

Whatever congress passed. Whatever the board of jimfields33 Dec 5 #205

Not paying for some care isn't "preventing" care. Groundhawg Dec 6 #229

Being happy someone is dead is not the same as suggesting people go out and commit murder MadameButterfly Dec 6 #212

I think what people are attempting to conveying is,... magicarpet Dec 5 #21

For all we know the shooter was a jilted lover or somethng. Think. Again. Dec 5 #24

Let's not go too Fuks Newszy and blow things way out of proportion.. magicarpet Dec 5 #42

...actually it would be perfectly okay. thomski64 Dec 5 #86

And anywhere else for him to do it. The Supreme Court said so! DeeDeeNY Dec 5 #128

Yea, PXR-5 Dec 5 #181

A poster below said he was "fair game" Patton French Dec 5 #114

I see a post that says... Think. Again. Dec 5 #121

It appears that's what the poster implied. Patton French Dec 5 #130

The response to this has been appalling mcar Dec 5 #2

You got that right MustLoveBeagles Dec 6 #232

Oh hypocrisy is quite common... WarGamer Dec 5 #3

insurrection to keep Trump out of office? Skittles Dec 6 #207

Looks like when you are paid big bucks multigraincracker Dec 5 #4

Well ,... if you are djt and on 5th Avenue fire away..... magicarpet Dec 5 #5

The obvious answer is 'never'. 33taw Dec 5 #6

Yes. We're still not sure about the motivation. MineralMan Dec 5 #9

I think trump and GOPers might answer, "Yes." I'm surprised at some Democrats for doing same. Silent Type Dec 5 #8

Yeah. Me, too. MineralMan Dec 5 #10

I haven't seen that here. Think. Again. Dec 5 #19

You haven't been looking and dispite your effort I won't link to posts. That violates TOS. Silent Type Dec 5 #94

It's my opinion that you are confusing what people feel about... Think. Again. Dec 5 #98

Congress is responsible for the healthcare system we have. This guy -- even if an A-hole -- is operating within Silent Type Dec 5 #105

Congress is also responsible for the massive gun availibility in the U.S. Think. Again. Dec 5 #109

Exactly. But you are apparently willing to endorse the 2nd Amendment solution if you don't like someone. Silent Type Dec 5 #149

I don't understand what you mean... Think. Again. Dec 5 #174

No, although your posts do sound enabling/approving. BTW, where were you yesterday? Silent Type Dec 5 #177

Do they? really? Think. Again. Dec 5 #179

That's bs, most of us don't need rules to not be a monster questionseverything Dec 5 #141

So are you endorsing the trumpian 2nd Amendment solution? Silent Type Dec 5 #150

When your life and the lives of those you love are in danger Asa13 Dec 5 #11

Self Defense or Defense of Others? MineralMan Dec 5 #28

'That's pretty much universally accepted by societies' SamuelTheThird Dec 5 #164

Do you honestly believe that man personally made all the sinkingfeeling Dec 5 #67

Was he the one personally denying claims no Asa13 Dec 5 #145

At my core, I'm against the death penalty. Dennis Donovan Dec 5 #12

The guy who got it a couple days ago certainly deserved it Callie1979 Dec 5 #17

Yep. Lunabell Dec 5 #112

Yes. That is a core value for me, as well. MineralMan Dec 5 #30

Agree 100 per cent. The death penalty is a barbarous relic. Celerity Dec 5 #62

It is not OK - but KT2000 Dec 5 #13

I have close personal knowledge of someone who died MineralMan Dec 5 #37

I'm glad you agree that people can feel good when abusers, such as the dead guy, are stopped. Think. Again. Dec 5 #45

fighting a denial of care KT2000 Dec 5 #59

Exactly. intheflow Dec 5 #175

Negligence is different from malign action. harumph Dec 5 #191

Good answer pfitz59 Dec 5 #134

Doctors at a medical web site comment section say the dead insurance executive brought it upon himself with rampant,... magicarpet Dec 5 #193

+10 Emile Dec 7 #240

When the murder of people by CEOs is legal and lauded, eventually there is blowback. Coventina Dec 5 #14

Yes, amid all the sanctimony I'm not seeing any examination of how we got to this place. BannonsLiver Dec 5 #26

I don't think it was lawful. I just don't give a shit. nt LexVegas Dec 5 #15

How dare you not give a shit! BannonsLiver Dec 5 #23

Right? Think. Again. Dec 5 #31

Some might call it grandstanding. BannonsLiver Dec 5 #36

+1 leftstreet Dec 5 #43

The American Revolution gab13by13 Dec 5 #16

Record me it is bad to shoot someone TexLaProgressive Dec 5 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 5 #22

Only Trump can legally do that! Emile Dec 5 #25

It's never OK to shoot someone in the back on the street. That's murder. And, when caught and convicted, sop Dec 5 #27

Agree with your take. dchill Dec 5 #88

Unless he's a cop shooting a black guy in the back. Solomon Dec 6 #233

Words matter. Gore1FL Dec 5 #29

Never, and... Mike Nelson Dec 5 #32

Who here shot someone in the back? What did I miss? Scrivener7 Dec 5 #33

Just for the record, it wasn't me. Think. Again. Dec 5 #48

Not I XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #56

Are you SURE? Scrivener7 Dec 5 #169

Lol XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #171

Of course. I am heavily depending on the concept of "spheres of influence and spheres of concern" to get me Scrivener7 Dec 5 #180

Could be any reason XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #185

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... Kali Dec 5 #137

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 5 #153

Not a good thing at all, but trump can do it, or order it done... brush Dec 5 #35

Excellent point. Think. Again. Dec 5 #49

It's so dreary to even think about that the SCOTUS 6 is so corrupt that they listnen to trump's attorney... brush Dec 5 #80

It sounds like he wanted to be a vigilante by killing people. People like him used to Ping Tung Dec 5 #38

Do insurance execs mourn anyone's death? dalton99a Dec 5 #39

I can't answer that. I don't know anyone in that position. MineralMan Dec 5 #44

It's not. Susan Calvin Dec 5 #40

Never, but the method of his death doesn't make him a saint, either ms liberty Dec 5 #46

You're such a good person Prairie Gates Dec 5 #47

Not necessarily, but I do have some hard and fast rules I follow. MineralMan Dec 5 #51

Oh, I thought you posted this because you wanted people to say that Prairie Gates Dec 5 #53

Well played radicalleft Dec 5 #69

As opposed to all the DUers running around shooting people. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #83

Good guy with a gun syndrome Aviation Pro Dec 5 #55

Well, we still don't know the shooter's motive. MineralMan Dec 5 #57

Bull. We know his general motive, if not the specifics. He left a trail that specified it. NoRethugFriends Dec 5 #120

No, we don't. MineralMan Dec 5 #122

Meh. there's a difference between "it's okay to do that" and... AkFemDem Dec 5 #58

It does not matter the rationale for any murder. As an sinkingfeeling Dec 5 #60

Yes - absolutely correct FakeNoose Dec 5 #140

God said.. k0rs Dec 6 #238

Agree claudette Dec 5 #61

What is this about? Cirsium Dec 5 #63

Apparently DUers are running amok, shooting Scrivener7 Dec 5 #66

Right Cirsium Dec 5 #77

You nailed it!!!! Coventina Dec 5 #111

Yup! XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #163

Obviously murder is wrong. dawg Dec 5 #65

Did you want a bonfire to go with your strawman? Voltaire2 Dec 5 #68

Oh, hi there! MineralMan Dec 5 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Amanita Pantherina Dec 5 #202

why don't you just answer? Skittles Dec 6 #208

You're better. Demobrat Dec 5 #70

It became OK on 2 specific dates maxrandb Dec 5 #73

you get it Skittles Dec 6 #209

One thing is for certain. Omnipresent Dec 5 #74

Oh please Woodwizard Dec 5 #76

You're very polite, but I have nothing for you, I'm afraid. MineralMan Dec 5 #78

That's fine I will survive. Woodwizard Dec 5 #124

If an assailant is about to murder children and I have the drop on him from behind Orrex Dec 5 #81

"But NO ONE is celebrating..." sarisataka Dec 5 #82

You found one!! Congratulations!! Scrivener7 Dec 5 #84

The posts are not hard to find, sarisataka Dec 5 #87

We're all very proud of you. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #89

No need sarisataka Dec 5 #96

Of course. Because of all the murdering people here will do Scrivener7 Dec 5 #99

. sarisataka Dec 5 #110

No, really. I was standing at the door, shotgun in hand, and only YOUR wise words stopped me! Scrivener7 Dec 5 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Dec 5 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Dec 5 #92

Thanks. On this matter -- shooting someone in back -- feel like I'm on some trump site promoting 2nd Amendment solutions Silent Type Dec 5 #97

Thanks. MineralMan Dec 5 #108

Hi still proud of my comment and stand by it Asa13 Dec 5 #155

Nor do I expect you to change your position sarisataka Dec 5 #161

I'm pretty sure it's self defense or possibly saving the life of a potential victim that might be legal. Hope22 Dec 5 #85

Assassination is never OK. LisaM Dec 5 #91

No need to fight you. BannonsLiver Dec 5 #118

Nazis are always fair game JoseBalow Dec 5 #93

It's not okay. cer7711 Dec 5 #95

It is confusing. Patton French Dec 5 #100

I'm not sure I'd say it's NEVER okay.... Happy Hoosier Dec 5 #101

Never Keepthesoulalive Dec 5 #102

NEVER ColinC Dec 5 #103

So murdering Hitler would have been wrong? NoRethugFriends Dec 5 #123

That's an excellent question. MineralMan Dec 5 #126

And your answer? NoRethugFriends Dec 5 #190

Here's my answer. What's yours? LAS14 Dec 6 #222

Yes ColinC Dec 5 #138

Well....since this guy was a rich CEO ($10M per year) they'll be a HELL of a lot more than Bengus81 Dec 5 #107

OK has nothing to do with it - Nigrum Cattus Dec 5 #113

When is it okay to kill thousands of people at your day job and think karma won't come knocking. onecaliberal Dec 5 #117

"It depends" - TBF Dec 5 #119

Feels like sealioning. nt GenThePerservering Dec 5 #125

Oh, come on! This is a discussion board. The question prompted an interesting discussion. nt LAS14 Dec 6 #223

Not OK -- but my grief is elsewhere occupied Betty Boom Dec 5 #127

NRA Rule #1: All it takes is a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 5 #129

Now theplayer Dec 5 #131

Maybe you should ask a preacher. markodochartaigh Dec 5 #132

From what I have read here, I think you are equating the murder of someone being okay and those that PortTack Dec 5 #133

This. progressoid Dec 6 #236

No one has said murder is okay. Linda ladeewolf Dec 5 #135

Whoa theplayer Dec 5 #142

To be honest, I personally do agree with you. Linda ladeewolf Dec 5 #146

Spot on. It's a consequence of the predatory system we have. harumph Dec 5 #156

Let me make it clear theplayer Dec 5 #136

I am also confused edhopper Dec 5 #143

I dont know. MineralMan Dec 5 #157

You would not celebrate edhopper Dec 5 #192

Celebrate? No. MineralMan Dec 5 #196

We do feel differently edhopper Dec 5 #199

Is THIS enough reason? paleotn Dec 5 #144

Not in my ethos, no. MineralMan Dec 5 #159

And if your ethos brings us to do nothing but prattle on about the problems we face.... paleotn Dec 5 #167

The question isn't 'is it ok?' Aussie105 Dec 5 #147

But that was my question. MineralMan Dec 5 #160

Your question is ridiculous GenThePerservering Dec 5 #148

OK. But it's my thread. MineralMan Dec 5 #162

The state sanctions murder every day Mr.WeRP Dec 5 #151

Difference from people not feeling a sense of compassion with condoning the behavior, which you imply. LizBeth Dec 5 #152

You make a distinction that is obvious to most, but that some folks here don't seem to be able to grasp. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #166

Ya, I tend to feel it is the second.... Has me about rolling my eyes. I work for health insurance LizBeth Dec 5 #182

AND there's nothing wrong with that. Contrary to what some here will say. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #184

The words "justice for all" hasn't applied to the USA in decades. When that changes we can have a right or wrong yaesu Dec 5 #154

We can punch "up" without supporting murder. ALBliberal Dec 5 #158

The only "good" to come out of an abhorrent act I do not condone.. Pacifist Patriot Dec 5 #165

A person shot a CEO. If it was anyone else, we wouldn't hear about it. The irony is that he affected more lives than Evolve Dammit Dec 5 #168

Never. AllyCat Dec 5 #170

Some Americans are getting enured to violence Marthe48 Dec 5 #172

Imagine all health insurance companies SharonClark Dec 5 #173

Congress. MineralMan Dec 5 #189

Of course it's not okay to shoot someone in the back on the street. But I don't give a shit that Autumn Dec 5 #176

There needs to be a LOT more pearl clutching over deaths caused by the insurance industry. Babajida Dec 5 #178

Ironically most doctors support the GOP. Big Time LeftInTX Dec 6 #210

I assume it's just a loud minority who support that. ecstatic Dec 5 #186

No excuse snowybirdie Dec 5 #187

Well, yes, which is why none of us did it. Scrivener7 Dec 6 #213

If you are Don Old it's okay, but no one else. Hassler Dec 5 #194

What about Hitler? oldmanlynn Dec 5 #195

Yes. People tried. Many people. MineralMan Dec 5 #197

Is anyone here saying that this person should not be charged for what happened? Lancero Dec 5 #198

I'm confused OP ThePartyThatListens Dec 5 #200

That straw man dpibel Dec 5 #201

A comment left on UHC's facebook thread Babajida Dec 5 #204

It's not Okay to murder someone Bettie Dec 5 #206

I find it enormously disquieting to learn so many are callous and indifferent to this murder. summer_in_TX Dec 6 #211

I bet dozens of people were murdered the same day as this guy. People to whom you and I have no Scrivener7 Dec 6 #214

Those others are not being mentioned MineralMan Dec 6 #215

So, what you care deeply about is other people's opinions and reactions, then. Not the guy himself. Scrivener7 Dec 6 #216

You are always ready to tell me what I think or care about. MineralMan Dec 6 #221

Just pointing out what you, yourself have shown us. Scrivener7 Dec 6 #231

Somehow, you're missing something. MineralMan Dec 6 #239

When one starts a post saying "I'm confused" Amanita Pantherina Dec 6 #237

Knowing about it is all it takes. summer_in_TX Dec 6 #226

Well said MustLoveBeagles Dec 6 #230

Anger, fear, and contempt is a hell of a stew. summer_in_TX Dec 9 #246

Yeah, I'm not going to engage in the ghoul dancing, either. Tommy Carcetti Dec 6 #217

Life is complex. We can assure ourselves (probably with justification) that... LAS14 Dec 6 #219

Any method of killing another is wrong nini Dec 6 #220

I'm not a religious man but orangecrush Dec 6 #224

It is not wisdom but authority that makes a law. Amanita Pantherina Dec 6 #225

Not my point orangecrush Dec 6 #228

When the cops do it! atreides1 Dec 6 #227

Thomas Jefferson and the founders would disagree Quixote1818 Dec 6 #234

the black and white requires a never answer... stillcool Dec 6 #235

A question, please, to further the discussion. hamsterjill Dec 7 #241

I too wouldn't lose any sleep if he's not found. Emile Dec 7 #242

Good Question. MineralMan Dec 7 #243

I accept your premise but I differ on one main issue. hamsterjill Dec 7 #244

Yes, of course. It is his responsibility. MineralMan Dec 7 #245