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harumph

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156. Spot on. It's a consequence of the predatory system we have.

Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:33 PM

Dec 5

It's going to happen. Sometimes we will recoil in horror and at other times.., not so much. I find the virtue signalling of some
posters annoying. "It's never OK!" Yeah, we got that. What is "OK?" What do they mean to say when they say it's not OK. It's illegal?
It's not moral? Is all killing murder? What they seem to be saying is that extrajudicial killings are not OK. So, let's start there.
What if the "judicial" system is corrupt? What about situations where there is no judicial remedy for systemized killing - as in the cases of denied care that leads to death? What the posters who are opining on the impermissibility of extrajudicial killings fear is of course - the mob. We all fear the mob, the chaos, the unpredictability of punishment, of chance harm to ourselves or our families. This is only natural. We are in the hands of a criminal mob who now have power over our lives and deaths. The criminal mob has a mind and a defined agenda, and most of their clueless followers have neither. The social contract is broken already.

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I'm Confused. So, When Is It OK to Shoot Someone in the Back on the Street? [View all] MineralMan Dec 5 OP

Never, why would you ask? Think. Again. Dec 5 #1

Are you sure no one has said that, or implied it? MineralMan Dec 5 #7

it seems to me that you and a few others are really trying hard... Think. Again. Dec 5 #18

Nope. I'm just pointing out a bit of a contradiction. MineralMan Dec 5 #41

and many people disagree with your premise. Think. Again. Dec 5 #50

And that's just fine, isn't it? MineralMan Dec 5 #52

Seriously. Think. Again. Dec 5 #54

Have you ever been shot in the back by someone you disagreed with on DU? Scrivener7 Dec 5 #64

Nope. I haven't. MineralMan Dec 5 #71

Well, you're talking about DUers shooting you in the back. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Amanita Pantherina Dec 6 #218

It's not ForgedCrank Dec 5 #79

I really, really, don't see that. Think. Again. Dec 5 #106

Did you see the post that says the shooter should be treated as a "folk hero"? onenote Dec 5 #183

no, I didn't, there are too many posts on this for me to keep up with.... Think. Again. Dec 5 #188

Ditto iamateacher Dec 5 #116

Well, the body of your own post claims it was good. Patton French Dec 5 #104

What the poster doesn't realize is the CEO will be jimfields33 Dec 5 #115

What laws are those? choie Dec 5 #203

Whatever congress passed. Whatever the board of jimfields33 Dec 5 #205

Not paying for some care isn't "preventing" care. Groundhawg Dec 6 #229

Being happy someone is dead is not the same as suggesting people go out and commit murder MadameButterfly Dec 6 #212

I think what people are attempting to conveying is,... magicarpet Dec 5 #21

For all we know the shooter was a jilted lover or somethng. Think. Again. Dec 5 #24

Let's not go too Fuks Newszy and blow things way out of proportion.. magicarpet Dec 5 #42

...actually it would be perfectly okay. thomski64 Dec 5 #86

And anywhere else for him to do it. The Supreme Court said so! DeeDeeNY Dec 5 #128

Yea, PXR-5 Dec 5 #181

A poster below said he was "fair game" Patton French Dec 5 #114

I see a post that says... Think. Again. Dec 5 #121

It appears that's what the poster implied. Patton French Dec 5 #130

The response to this has been appalling mcar Dec 5 #2

You got that right MustLoveBeagles Dec 6 #232

Oh hypocrisy is quite common... WarGamer Dec 5 #3

insurrection to keep Trump out of office? Skittles Dec 6 #207

Looks like when you are paid big bucks multigraincracker Dec 5 #4

Well ,... if you are djt and on 5th Avenue fire away..... magicarpet Dec 5 #5

The obvious answer is 'never'. 33taw Dec 5 #6

Yes. We're still not sure about the motivation. MineralMan Dec 5 #9

I think trump and GOPers might answer, "Yes." I'm surprised at some Democrats for doing same. Silent Type Dec 5 #8

Yeah. Me, too. MineralMan Dec 5 #10

I haven't seen that here. Think. Again. Dec 5 #19

You haven't been looking and dispite your effort I won't link to posts. That violates TOS. Silent Type Dec 5 #94

It's my opinion that you are confusing what people feel about... Think. Again. Dec 5 #98

Congress is responsible for the healthcare system we have. This guy -- even if an A-hole -- is operating within Silent Type Dec 5 #105

Congress is also responsible for the massive gun availibility in the U.S. Think. Again. Dec 5 #109

Exactly. But you are apparently willing to endorse the 2nd Amendment solution if you don't like someone. Silent Type Dec 5 #149

I don't understand what you mean... Think. Again. Dec 5 #174

No, although your posts do sound enabling/approving. BTW, where were you yesterday? Silent Type Dec 5 #177

Do they? really? Think. Again. Dec 5 #179

That's bs, most of us don't need rules to not be a monster questionseverything Dec 5 #141

So are you endorsing the trumpian 2nd Amendment solution? Silent Type Dec 5 #150

When your life and the lives of those you love are in danger Asa13 Dec 5 #11

Self Defense or Defense of Others? MineralMan Dec 5 #28

'That's pretty much universally accepted by societies' SamuelTheThird Dec 5 #164

Do you honestly believe that man personally made all the sinkingfeeling Dec 5 #67

Was he the one personally denying claims no Asa13 Dec 5 #145

At my core, I'm against the death penalty. Dennis Donovan Dec 5 #12

The guy who got it a couple days ago certainly deserved it Callie1979 Dec 5 #17

Yep. Lunabell Dec 5 #112

Yes. That is a core value for me, as well. MineralMan Dec 5 #30

Agree 100 per cent. The death penalty is a barbarous relic. Celerity Dec 5 #62

It is not OK - but KT2000 Dec 5 #13

I have close personal knowledge of someone who died MineralMan Dec 5 #37

I'm glad you agree that people can feel good when abusers, such as the dead guy, are stopped. Think. Again. Dec 5 #45

fighting a denial of care KT2000 Dec 5 #59

Exactly. intheflow Dec 5 #175

Negligence is different from malign action. harumph Dec 5 #191

Good answer pfitz59 Dec 5 #134

Doctors at a medical web site comment section say the dead insurance executive brought it upon himself with rampant,... magicarpet Dec 5 #193

+10 Emile Dec 7 #240

When the murder of people by CEOs is legal and lauded, eventually there is blowback. Coventina Dec 5 #14

Yes, amid all the sanctimony I'm not seeing any examination of how we got to this place. BannonsLiver Dec 5 #26

I don't think it was lawful. I just don't give a shit. nt LexVegas Dec 5 #15

How dare you not give a shit! BannonsLiver Dec 5 #23

Right? Think. Again. Dec 5 #31

Some might call it grandstanding. BannonsLiver Dec 5 #36

+1 leftstreet Dec 5 #43

The American Revolution gab13by13 Dec 5 #16

Record me it is bad to shoot someone TexLaProgressive Dec 5 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 5 #22

Only Trump can legally do that! Emile Dec 5 #25

It's never OK to shoot someone in the back on the street. That's murder. And, when caught and convicted, sop Dec 5 #27

Agree with your take. dchill Dec 5 #88

Unless he's a cop shooting a black guy in the back. Solomon Dec 6 #233

Words matter. Gore1FL Dec 5 #29

Never, and... Mike Nelson Dec 5 #32

Who here shot someone in the back? What did I miss? Scrivener7 Dec 5 #33

Just for the record, it wasn't me. Think. Again. Dec 5 #48

Not I XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #56

Are you SURE? Scrivener7 Dec 5 #169

Lol XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #171

Of course. I am heavily depending on the concept of "spheres of influence and spheres of concern" to get me Scrivener7 Dec 5 #180

Could be any reason XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #185

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... Kali Dec 5 #137

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 5 #153

Not a good thing at all, but trump can do it, or order it done... brush Dec 5 #35

Excellent point. Think. Again. Dec 5 #49

It's so dreary to even think about that the SCOTUS 6 is so corrupt that they listnen to trump's attorney... brush Dec 5 #80

It sounds like he wanted to be a vigilante by killing people. People like him used to Ping Tung Dec 5 #38

Do insurance execs mourn anyone's death? dalton99a Dec 5 #39

I can't answer that. I don't know anyone in that position. MineralMan Dec 5 #44

It's not. Susan Calvin Dec 5 #40

Never, but the method of his death doesn't make him a saint, either ms liberty Dec 5 #46

You're such a good person Prairie Gates Dec 5 #47

Not necessarily, but I do have some hard and fast rules I follow. MineralMan Dec 5 #51

Oh, I thought you posted this because you wanted people to say that Prairie Gates Dec 5 #53

Well played radicalleft Dec 5 #69

As opposed to all the DUers running around shooting people. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #83

Good guy with a gun syndrome Aviation Pro Dec 5 #55

Well, we still don't know the shooter's motive. MineralMan Dec 5 #57

Bull. We know his general motive, if not the specifics. He left a trail that specified it. NoRethugFriends Dec 5 #120

No, we don't. MineralMan Dec 5 #122

Meh. there's a difference between "it's okay to do that" and... AkFemDem Dec 5 #58

It does not matter the rationale for any murder. As an sinkingfeeling Dec 5 #60

Yes - absolutely correct FakeNoose Dec 5 #140

God said.. k0rs Dec 6 #238

Agree claudette Dec 5 #61

What is this about? Cirsium Dec 5 #63

Apparently DUers are running amok, shooting Scrivener7 Dec 5 #66

Right Cirsium Dec 5 #77

You nailed it!!!! Coventina Dec 5 #111

Yup! XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #163

Obviously murder is wrong. dawg Dec 5 #65

Did you want a bonfire to go with your strawman? Voltaire2 Dec 5 #68

Oh, hi there! MineralMan Dec 5 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Amanita Pantherina Dec 5 #202

why don't you just answer? Skittles Dec 6 #208

You're better. Demobrat Dec 5 #70

It became OK on 2 specific dates maxrandb Dec 5 #73

you get it Skittles Dec 6 #209

One thing is for certain. Omnipresent Dec 5 #74

Oh please Woodwizard Dec 5 #76

You're very polite, but I have nothing for you, I'm afraid. MineralMan Dec 5 #78

That's fine I will survive. Woodwizard Dec 5 #124

If an assailant is about to murder children and I have the drop on him from behind Orrex Dec 5 #81

"But NO ONE is celebrating..." sarisataka Dec 5 #82

You found one!! Congratulations!! Scrivener7 Dec 5 #84

The posts are not hard to find, sarisataka Dec 5 #87

We're all very proud of you. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #89

No need sarisataka Dec 5 #96

Of course. Because of all the murdering people here will do Scrivener7 Dec 5 #99

. sarisataka Dec 5 #110

No, really. I was standing at the door, shotgun in hand, and only YOUR wise words stopped me! Scrivener7 Dec 5 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Dec 5 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Dec 5 #92

Thanks. On this matter -- shooting someone in back -- feel like I'm on some trump site promoting 2nd Amendment solutions Silent Type Dec 5 #97

Thanks. MineralMan Dec 5 #108

Hi still proud of my comment and stand by it Asa13 Dec 5 #155

Nor do I expect you to change your position sarisataka Dec 5 #161

I'm pretty sure it's self defense or possibly saving the life of a potential victim that might be legal. Hope22 Dec 5 #85

Assassination is never OK. LisaM Dec 5 #91

No need to fight you. BannonsLiver Dec 5 #118

Nazis are always fair game JoseBalow Dec 5 #93

It's not okay. cer7711 Dec 5 #95

It is confusing. Patton French Dec 5 #100

I'm not sure I'd say it's NEVER okay.... Happy Hoosier Dec 5 #101

Never Keepthesoulalive Dec 5 #102

NEVER ColinC Dec 5 #103

So murdering Hitler would have been wrong? NoRethugFriends Dec 5 #123

That's an excellent question. MineralMan Dec 5 #126

And your answer? NoRethugFriends Dec 5 #190

Here's my answer. What's yours? LAS14 Dec 6 #222

Yes ColinC Dec 5 #138

Well....since this guy was a rich CEO ($10M per year) they'll be a HELL of a lot more than Bengus81 Dec 5 #107

OK has nothing to do with it - Nigrum Cattus Dec 5 #113

When is it okay to kill thousands of people at your day job and think karma won't come knocking. onecaliberal Dec 5 #117

"It depends" - TBF Dec 5 #119

Feels like sealioning. nt GenThePerservering Dec 5 #125

Oh, come on! This is a discussion board. The question prompted an interesting discussion. nt LAS14 Dec 6 #223

Not OK -- but my grief is elsewhere occupied Betty Boom Dec 5 #127

NRA Rule #1: All it takes is a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 5 #129

Now theplayer Dec 5 #131

Maybe you should ask a preacher. markodochartaigh Dec 5 #132

From what I have read here, I think you are equating the murder of someone being okay and those that PortTack Dec 5 #133

This. progressoid Dec 6 #236

No one has said murder is okay. Linda ladeewolf Dec 5 #135

Whoa theplayer Dec 5 #142

To be honest, I personally do agree with you. Linda ladeewolf Dec 5 #146

Spot on. It's a consequence of the predatory system we have. harumph Dec 5 #156

Let me make it clear theplayer Dec 5 #136

I am also confused edhopper Dec 5 #143

I dont know. MineralMan Dec 5 #157

You would not celebrate edhopper Dec 5 #192

Celebrate? No. MineralMan Dec 5 #196

We do feel differently edhopper Dec 5 #199

Is THIS enough reason? paleotn Dec 5 #144

Not in my ethos, no. MineralMan Dec 5 #159

And if your ethos brings us to do nothing but prattle on about the problems we face.... paleotn Dec 5 #167

The question isn't 'is it ok?' Aussie105 Dec 5 #147

But that was my question. MineralMan Dec 5 #160

Your question is ridiculous GenThePerservering Dec 5 #148

OK. But it's my thread. MineralMan Dec 5 #162

The state sanctions murder every day Mr.WeRP Dec 5 #151

Difference from people not feeling a sense of compassion with condoning the behavior, which you imply. LizBeth Dec 5 #152

You make a distinction that is obvious to most, but that some folks here don't seem to be able to grasp. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #166

Ya, I tend to feel it is the second.... Has me about rolling my eyes. I work for health insurance LizBeth Dec 5 #182

AND there's nothing wrong with that. Contrary to what some here will say. Scrivener7 Dec 5 #184

The words "justice for all" hasn't applied to the USA in decades. When that changes we can have a right or wrong yaesu Dec 5 #154

We can punch "up" without supporting murder. ALBliberal Dec 5 #158

The only "good" to come out of an abhorrent act I do not condone.. Pacifist Patriot Dec 5 #165

A person shot a CEO. If it was anyone else, we wouldn't hear about it. The irony is that he affected more lives than Evolve Dammit Dec 5 #168

Never. AllyCat Dec 5 #170

Some Americans are getting enured to violence Marthe48 Dec 5 #172

Imagine all health insurance companies SharonClark Dec 5 #173

Congress. MineralMan Dec 5 #189

Of course it's not okay to shoot someone in the back on the street. But I don't give a shit that Autumn Dec 5 #176

There needs to be a LOT more pearl clutching over deaths caused by the insurance industry. Babajida Dec 5 #178

Ironically most doctors support the GOP. Big Time LeftInTX Dec 6 #210

I assume it's just a loud minority who support that. ecstatic Dec 5 #186

No excuse snowybirdie Dec 5 #187

Well, yes, which is why none of us did it. Scrivener7 Dec 6 #213

If you are Don Old it's okay, but no one else. Hassler Dec 5 #194

What about Hitler? oldmanlynn Dec 5 #195

Yes. People tried. Many people. MineralMan Dec 5 #197

Is anyone here saying that this person should not be charged for what happened? Lancero Dec 5 #198

I'm confused OP ThePartyThatListens Dec 5 #200

That straw man dpibel Dec 5 #201

A comment left on UHC's facebook thread Babajida Dec 5 #204

It's not Okay to murder someone Bettie Dec 5 #206

I find it enormously disquieting to learn so many are callous and indifferent to this murder. summer_in_TX Dec 6 #211

I bet dozens of people were murdered the same day as this guy. People to whom you and I have no Scrivener7 Dec 6 #214

Those others are not being mentioned MineralMan Dec 6 #215

So, what you care deeply about is other people's opinions and reactions, then. Not the guy himself. Scrivener7 Dec 6 #216

You are always ready to tell me what I think or care about. MineralMan Dec 6 #221

Just pointing out what you, yourself have shown us. Scrivener7 Dec 6 #231

Somehow, you're missing something. MineralMan Dec 6 #239

When one starts a post saying "I'm confused" Amanita Pantherina Dec 6 #237

Knowing about it is all it takes. summer_in_TX Dec 6 #226

Well said MustLoveBeagles Dec 6 #230

Anger, fear, and contempt is a hell of a stew. summer_in_TX Dec 9 #246

Yeah, I'm not going to engage in the ghoul dancing, either. Tommy Carcetti Dec 6 #217

Life is complex. We can assure ourselves (probably with justification) that... LAS14 Dec 6 #219

Any method of killing another is wrong nini Dec 6 #220

I'm not a religious man but orangecrush Dec 6 #224

It is not wisdom but authority that makes a law. Amanita Pantherina Dec 6 #225

Not my point orangecrush Dec 6 #228

When the cops do it! atreides1 Dec 6 #227

Thomas Jefferson and the founders would disagree Quixote1818 Dec 6 #234

the black and white requires a never answer... stillcool Dec 6 #235

A question, please, to further the discussion. hamsterjill Dec 7 #241

I too wouldn't lose any sleep if he's not found. Emile Dec 7 #242

Good Question. MineralMan Dec 7 #243

I accept your premise but I differ on one main issue. hamsterjill Dec 7 #244

Yes, of course. It is his responsibility. MineralMan Dec 7 #245