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lees1975

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145. You are 100% right.

Mon Feb 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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Knowing how much of a threat Trump was to American Democracy, when Democrats had the chance to break the filibuster and pack that damn supreme court, which would have eliminated the ridiculously unconstitutional immunity ruling, and kept Roe intact, we instead played old school status quo politics as usual. The GOP, given the same chance, would have put through a clean sweep of objectives.

Then, after basically eight years of whining, caterwauling, complaining, griping and insisting that elections were rigged, who in the world didn't get the hint that Trump and his cronies were going to rig the election in every possible way they could find, including bribery of election officials in swing states in red counties to increase their vote totals by messing with those machines they complained were programmed for the other guys.

Unfortunately, the attitude I see from many of the Democrats who did win elections is, "Oh well, I got what I wanted."

And "oh well," if that's the attitude you take, then "oh well, don't count on my vote."

We need to rid the country of this scourge forever. Get on board or get out.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Frank D. Lincoln Feb 2 OP

100% agree obamanut2012 Feb 2 #1

This is not going to be popular here but, the Democrats knew the cheating would happen, they did nothing Escurumbele Monday #137

You are 100% right. lees1975 Monday #145

Musk didn't help in 2020. pandr32 Monday #146

I find it hard to believe that we had a female candidate, but Trump gained 3% among women since the previous election.. Doodley Feb 2 #2

Forces favoring women's reproductive freedom-- BadgerMom Monday #138

Some women thought their state's laws were enough to protect them. They didn't know SharonAnn Monday #140

Re the results malaise Feb 2 #3

2024 was rigged from the start Charging Triceratops Feb 2 #4

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the PA vote. John1956PA Feb 2 #32

For a guy who has lied, cheated & stolen his entire life Give Peace A Chance Feb 2 #47

Sorry, not acting like trump or millions of GOPers who think he won in 2020. It doesn't help at this point. Silent Type Feb 2 #5

Because she didn't want to seem like Felon-47 Charging Triceratops Feb 2 #6

Hope we don't develop strategy for future elections based upon not being able to accept we lost. Silent Type Feb 2 #8

I doubt that there will even be any future elections except for maybe sham elections like in Russia. nt Frank D. Lincoln Feb 2 #26

No, let's develop strategy based upon being... dchill Feb 2 #105

Pretend? We lost "bigly." You are seeing result now. Silent Type Feb 2 #106

This Trump-style delusion and denial of reality is actually quite surreal. tritsofme Feb 2 #107

You KNOW that's not true, right? dchill Feb 2 #109

We lost House, Senate, and Presidency? That's big to me. Didn't even win popular vote this time. Silent Type Feb 2 #110

Gee! How'd THAT happen? dchill Feb 2 #111

Yup. yellow dahlia Feb 2 #10

Bullshit. No FUCKING way Kamala would back down if it was "stolen" Maru Kitteh Feb 2 #79

It isn't that Kamala doesn't have courage... Trueblue Texan Monday #136

Of course she would Cirsium Monday #163

So why didn't he steal 2020? Polybius Feb 2 #114

He didn't have the tech bros backing then. intheflow Monday #131

Future elections? LOL LR3 Monday #152

I think some said you had to have a reason thinkingagain Feb 2 #9

She -- like most Democrats -- knew she lost. It was tough, but glad she and Clinton chose not to make a scene. Silent Type Feb 2 #11

Now the " scene " is woman dying in their cars for the need of a d&c questionseverything Feb 2 #55

We lost. Silent Type Feb 2 #100

Not according to Greg Palast ReRe Monday #121

Weird how he doesn't actually link to any source data EdmondDantes_ Monday #126

Thank you. Perhaps I am too trusting. I will look-see. n/t ReRe Monday #129

Like Gore? intheflow Monday #130

I don't think she had evidence the election was stolen. Doodley Feb 2 #13

1. Did you read the report, yellow dahlia Feb 2 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author Butterflylady Feb 2 #15

That's easy.... Butterflylady Feb 2 #17

Its not about recount, its about 3.5 million red state voters who weren't allowed to vote or whos votes weren't counted yaesu Feb 2 #18

That Palast junk is even worse BS. I wish Harris were in WH too. But you gotta win first. Silent Type Feb 2 #20

Palast is a well respected international reporter who provides evidence questionseverything Feb 2 #103

Well respected by who/whom? Silent Type Feb 2 #104

Again, check him out ReRe Monday #122

I've read his inaccurate BS since 2016. He has no proof and believes that anyone purged from voter rolls were Silent Type Monday #144

OK. Silent Type. You need to live up to your name ReRe Tuesday #175

I'm 75 and tired of our government not delivering, that goes for our party too. Silent Type Tuesday #182

I lied. I will continue since that was your reply. ReRe Tuesday #183

Your point? I want to win, and I'm ticked we lost, yet people want to promote Palast's BS Silent Type Tuesday #184

You're a soar loser, then. n/t ReRe Wednesday #185

Me, for one. Liberal In Texas Monday #128

No he absolutely doesn't present evidence EdmondDantes_ Monday #127

Never mind Palast Cirsium Monday #165

False equivalency. Frank D. Lincoln Feb 2 #24

lol, their conspiracy theories had all the same sort of nonsense. This is the exact same as Trump's election denialism. tritsofme Feb 2 #60

That is no accident Cirsium Monday #164

I was glad to see this report last night. yellow dahlia Feb 2 #7

I wouldn't put anything past musk..... Butterflylady Feb 2 #12

You have to wonder edhopper Feb 2 #16

Trump is an illegitimate president SnoopDog Feb 2 #19

Excellent point. Frank D. Lincoln Feb 2 #35

Hell, he was an illegitimate CANDIDATE. He wasn't even legally allowed to run, so he's illegitimate by default. Karasu Feb 2 #37

Excellent point - Trump committed an insurrection SnoopDog Feb 2 #41

Also, bomb threats all over the place. n/t ReRe Monday #123

I really don't know what happened, but I do know this Dan Feb 2 #21

If Al Gore refused to go all the way in then I can't blame Harris. JanMichael Feb 2 #22

Al Gore collected money for a recount... Hope22 Feb 2 #28

If that website is Palast's doing, I'd be suspicious. ificandream Feb 2 #23

This is from the website I linked to in the OP. Frank D. Lincoln Feb 2 #39

It sounds like what he'd be saying. ificandream Monday #150

You're definitely entitled to your suspicion and opinion. No apologies needed. Frank D. Lincoln Monday #155

Just because it's a conspiracy doesn't mean it's not true. live love laugh Monday #120

I'd give it low credence unless there was absolute solid proof. ificandream Monday #151

Where is it proven that Greg Palast is a conspiracy theorist? ReRe Monday #124

I've never seen any of Palast's stuff go beyond his audience. ificandream Monday #153

Your entire argument is based on your biases and preferences. live love laugh Monday #156

Requiring source evidence isn't a bias EdmondDantes_ Monday #167

Once again you overlook the facts and grasp at loopholes. live love laugh Monday #169

If we don't win the election was stolen. speak easy Feb 2 #25

Sometimes it's true. FoxNewsSucks Feb 2 #42

No RandySF Feb 2 #27

Yes. FoxNewsSucks Feb 2 #43

Yes obamanut2012 Feb 2 #80

Musk has more money and resources than anyone, and after 2020, there's no way Trump would settle for anything less than Karasu Feb 2 #29

Can't disagree. jalan48 Feb 2 #30

Agree godsentme Feb 2 #31

scrambled braincells stillcool Feb 2 #33

Musk had the vote counting tech that Drumpf was raving about. And zero recounts. Just rolled over. Evolve Dammit Feb 2 #34

What was the undercount in swing states? The Wizard Feb 2 #36

In retrospect, should Harris have echoed Trump's assertion that, if she lost, she would challenge the results? Mr. Ected Feb 2 #38

Well, Hillary won in 2016, by the only metric that SHOULD matter--but unfortunately doesn't in this fucking country. Karasu Feb 2 #49

Yes! Grumpy Old Guy Feb 2 #40

I Wish This Were Bigger News Mr.Bee Feb 2 #44

Absolutely. Only an utter idiotic fool FoxNewsSucks Feb 2 #45

So Harris, Biden, Marc Elias, all Democratic elected officials are "utter idiotic fools" tritsofme Feb 2 #61

I preached about rising fascism 20 years ago. intheflow Monday #172

The stolen Presidential election was in 2000 in Florida GoreWon2000 Feb 2 #46

Democrats couldn't contest the election results madville Feb 2 #48

Both the exit polling and the immediate polls before the election do not support this conclusion andym Feb 2 #50

They prevented people from voting all together... SnoopDog Feb 2 #53

But it will show up in general polling as well as opinion polls about the Democratic Party andym Feb 2 #56

Polling means nothing. SnoopDog Feb 2 #58

Polling informs us of trends, it just doesn't ultimately count toward winning an election andym Feb 2 #59

Do you really think you can trust polls nowdays? SnoopDog Feb 2 #62

"Trust" is too strong a word for polls, rather take them as potentially valid but imprecise data points andym Feb 2 #74

Well votes were counted, and even states run up and down by Democrats like PA and MI were lost. tritsofme Feb 2 #63

You cannot count votes that were suppressed by voter suppression... SnoopDog Feb 2 #65

Why did the Democrats who run those states suppress votes? tritsofme Feb 2 #66

They didn't. It was republican operatives... SnoopDog Feb 2 #67

So your argument is that the Democrats who run those states are so incompetent tritsofme Feb 2 #68

Your 'dems run the state' is a canard... SnoopDog Feb 2 #69

It's not a "canard" it is simply the truth. This concept can be quite difficult for folks who are susceptible tritsofme Feb 2 #70

Well, I am not a weak Democrat... I fight for the truth SnoopDog Feb 2 #75

Nope, this is just Trump-style election denialism. No different at all. tritsofme Feb 2 #76

So 4 million purged Dem voters had no effect on the election...ok got it... SnoopDog Feb 2 #77

So no crack at explaining why Democratic elected officials sat back and let it happen? tritsofme Feb 2 #81

So no crack at explaining 4 million purged Dem voters? SnoopDog Feb 2 #82

Do you have a single report of a purged voter who was unable to cast ballot in 2024? tritsofme Feb 2 #83

Oink... SnoopDog Feb 2 #87

lol, so I guess we'll take that as a hard "no" tritsofme Feb 2 #92

In Wisconsin (a major swing state) forthemiddle Monday #171

If they had id with the new address questionseverything Tuesday #176

And your evidence for that is???? Palast makes the claim but does not provide any supporting evidence. Wiz Imp Feb 2 #97

I can't figure that out either MichMan Feb 2 #72

Maybe these folks can hire Sidney Powell to do some digging? I hear she's looking for work. tritsofme Feb 2 #73

Because it didnt happen here DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2 #99

Out of 4 million, it should be easy to find at least a couple million who showed up to vote and were denied MichMan Feb 2 #78

well, actually E. Normus Monday #135

Then how did I vote? Polybius Feb 2 #113

What exit polling? Edison doesn't share the raw data lostnfound Tuesday #181

Maybe time to put out 10 million dollar reward for any info that results in conviction (secret name) bluestarone Feb 2 #51

This is a dead end. MineralMan Feb 2 #52

No, this is not a dead end. SnoopDog Feb 2 #57

You think republicana care? Ontheboundry Feb 2 #88

It's possible to do two things at once biophile Feb 2 #95

100% something doesn't pass the smell test. Made even worse by the events of the last two weeks. Initech Feb 2 #54

It shows how weak our system is. If the true winner C Moon Feb 2 #64

and we know WHO broke it, and WHY. B.See Feb 2 #71

100 cosign keepthemhonestO Feb 2 #84

"I don't know how they did it, but in my opinion..." R0ckyRac00n Feb 2 #85

Beautifully stated ZRB Feb 2 #96

Do you think Josh Shapiro and Gretchen Whitmer were in on the steal? Self Esteem Feb 2 #86

Well worth looking into, especially when Trump's oasis Feb 2 #89

None of that is *evidence* WarGamer Feb 2 #90

If what you allege is true, why didn't Harris and other Democratic leaders contest the election results? totodeinhere Feb 2 #91

I don't know, but I do know this, she was eerily Joinfortmill Feb 2 #102

This isn't worth spending too much time on, but I will make a few comments. Wiz Imp Feb 2 #93

Do you also believe in Sasquatch, gods, and the Loch Ness Monster? JoseBalow Feb 2 #94

Why would you believe that someone four years Emile Feb 2 #98

Yup. And someone knows something. Joinfortmill Feb 2 #101

Cry, havoc. Ursus Rex Feb 2 #108

I look at what the orange freak said about, "You'll never have to vote again," Bayard Feb 2 #112

Plus, ponder how confident Duppers Feb 2 #116

Can we move this to the Dungeon? Polybius Feb 2 #115

Creative Speculation is a retired forum, no more posting allowed Celerity Monday #117

"if Kamala Harris had simply demanded recounts" You need to be within a margin to DEMAND a recount. She wasn't krawhitham Monday #118

So no proof then? krawhitham Monday #119

All these conspiracy theories miss one key point. Takket Monday #125

I will say what I always say here hamsterjill Monday #132

Of course she won Botany Monday #133

Couple this with the massive vote suppression paulrevere2018 Monday #134

Voter suppression Beck23 Monday #139

More than 3.5 million were removed. live love laugh Monday #170

Pure fantasy Mountainguy Monday #141

Amazing how liberal Democrats can morph SCantiGOP Monday #159

Not all that surprising Mountainguy Monday #161

Did she not raise a billion dollars? LittleGirl Monday #142

I totally agree Richluu Monday #143

It ain't over yet. The steal was huge and implicated a lot of people and countries judesedit Monday #147

Where we are at this juncture: dchill Monday #148

Trmp Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report usonian Monday #149

I agree that this election does not pass the smell test. Jeebo Monday #154

We had four years to trump proof the US dlilafae Monday #157

Absolutely, 100%, could not agree more! debsy Monday #158

This is the 3rd election where they've gamed the votes. Why are we ready to let it pass AGAIN? Greybnk48 Monday #160

Absolutely Cirsium Monday #162

I agree 100% BurnDoubt Monday #166

The Vlad Plan czarjak Monday #168

This is not helpful. alarimer Monday #173

Remember, FoxNewsSucks Monday #174

Ain't it the truth questionseverything Tuesday #177

This thread overall is freaking depressing AZJonnie Tuesday #178

Pubbies been stealing elections since 2000 MaeScott Tuesday #179

I don't need to, but I will anyway, kick & rec your post ReRe Tuesday #180

We DemocratSinceBirth Wednesday #186