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Mon Feb 3, 2025, 12:34 PM Feb 2025

Most of the same people dragging Dems today are the same people who thought attacking Dems in the last election was fine [View all]

...with 'why don't they do this?' or, 'why didn't they do that?

Or Joe Biden is old. Or, why doesn't the U.S. president end the Israeli assault in Gaza. On and on, from one whinge to the next about our own candidate.

What the fuck did people think was going to happen when party leaders and other used their elevated platforms to whine and moan about Joe Biden until he stepped aside?

What the fuck did they think was going to happen leaving the VP with just three months to campaign? And, even then, dragging on the VP with endless projections.

Now we're in a fight where the actual villain is in office and there's no campaign or election within reach, and we have people just leaning into Democrats, instead of attacking republicans, all the while telling us how ineffective Democrats' messaging has been.

They're complaining about messaging, as if publicly dragging Democrats is some sort of opposition to republicans. It's not, and it's actually exploited by people whose interest and entire mission is to divide Democrats among ourselves. It's been that way for decades now.

I pay a lot of attention, and I can confidently say that our Democratic leadership may not be doing that brilliant thing you thought of, but they are, essentially, their own political operation. They are not standing still. They have not been silent. They have been waging their opposition any way they can manage in the minority.

We didn't provide them with enough members to do anything but talk, but, nonetheless, there are people dragging Democrats for stepping out and informing their constituents of what republicans are doing, and urging US to get out and confront the republicans who are in complete control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.

Republicans control the legislative agenda, and they have enough votes to pass almost anything with their own membership. We're basically in a protest/defensive mode at this point; not just Americans, but the people we managed to advance into office.

There will be lawsuits filed, but that's the ONLY direct influence Democrats will have until we have a chance in the midterms to take back control of the legislature. The only power they have is the elevation of their offices and their voices.

When they write a letter demanding the president do something, or demanding he desist, that's their job, and speaking truth to power is the ONLY one we equipped them for in the last election.

THAT's the game right now. Not whether someone didn't say what's in someone else's head, but what they are actually saying. We need to confront our legislators we elected where they actually stand, not where we imagine they should be.

We forfeited any real power of demanding things from our national legislators, because we sent them there neutered and functionally ill-equipped, so, functionally ineffective.

But some people are thinking there's something they can whip out of the wreckage of the election Democratic voters squandered away, by dressing up the minority they engineered for us in Congress like they're actually the ones on power and authority and punching them until they bruise and bleed.

Again, you have to just use that imagination that pretends Democrats have some magic solution they're refusing to deploy, and think of all of the people out there who've never valued a robust and united Democratic party who think this is their moment to tear the party apart, as if they had the ability to put a robust and united opposition party back together again.

Long and short? I know Democrats are speaking out because, I bother to look, read, and listen to more than the teevee news and twitter. We need to amplify those efforts, because we can't organize a resistance with gaslighting and resentment toward our own people.

Our elected Democrats make their efforts, and we endeavor to build on those. Makes sense, unless we intend to nominate ourselves for the legislature. Makes little sense supposing they aren't doing anything because you don't see it on the news.

More folks need to take the time to find out what they're saying and doing and amplifying the advocacy coming from our elected officials. I've seen Raskin, Warren, Jeffries, and countless others, including the unfairly maligned Schumer, all of them out EVERY DAY since the inauguration with their advocacy.

Yes, you have to go look because, the teevee news won't cover them. With the platforms that people use to spread cynicism about out Democrats, they could be piggybacking on the advocacy of our Dems. It's there, they just have to look for themselves. It sucks, but that's the resistance game.

We are the ultimate engines of our democracy; not just the people we manage to elect.

This is legislating time, and we don't have the votes to control anything. What our Democrats in Congress need are our voices in opposition to REPUBLICANS and against what Trump and his maga henchmen are doing to the nation.

We're ALL in the resistance now, both the public and the Democrats we were able to elect. All of us are out of power right now, and the ONLY course that will right this sinking ship is to unite, bail, and hopefully in time, regain the helm.

-Ron

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Unite; Don't Divide! MineralMan Feb 2025 #1
Some of us are frustrated since inauguration NCDem47 Feb 2025 #2
This was all on the November 5th ballot Quiet Em Feb 2025 #5
Agree!! NCDem47 Feb 2025 #7
too funny stillcool Feb 2025 #35
"Some" of the people who don't see the urgency from D's are also deliberately staying away from MSNBC pnwmom Feb 2025 #55
I agree with you, but it was even before the election...As I have said before, THEY KNEW republicans WOULD Escurumbele Feb 2025 #63
There won't be *another* time DSandra Feb 2025 #3
Always remember, God is still on the throne. BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #6
Oh, I'm inspired, all right. dchill Feb 2025 #15
You proved the OPs point mcar Feb 2025 #28
Reminds me of a story BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #34
Not trying to be snarky angrychair Feb 2025 #38
You are very correct. When the GOP is in the minority, they cause enough problems to gum up the whole works. hadEnuf Feb 2025 #60
You're making the OPs point happy feet Feb 2025 #61
Those are speeches, not actions angrychair Feb 2025 #67
If there was a God trump would be by Ivana on hole #1 of his Golf course. Escurumbele Feb 2025 #64
Might wanna let Hakeem know. BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #68
That's exactly right BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #4
People have every right to say something about elected leaders who see nothing/hear nothing/do nothing dalton99a Feb 2025 #8
call them out bigtree Feb 2025 #9
That might be because, as a whole, they are doing nothing. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #17
Really? mcar Feb 2025 #29
Looks like our "whinging" is working! Think. Again. Feb 2025 #32
How is it you know that? stillcool Feb 2025 #36
I don't live under a rock? Think. Again. Feb 2025 #37
Really? Do you have any Democrats stillcool Feb 2025 #41
I don't understand why you're asking me that. Think. Again. Feb 2025 #57
Isn't your thread an attack on Democrats? gab13by13 Feb 2025 #10
ALL OF THIS johnnyfins Feb 2025 #11
Short and sweet, and to the point. dchill Feb 2025 #18
I agree Mountain Mule Feb 2025 #47
Camilla? SocialDemocrat61 Feb 2025 #48
LOL Mountain Mule Feb 2025 #54
We need STRONG leadership NOW!, KEEP UP THE NOISE Think. Again. Feb 2025 #12
If you didn't support and vote Democratic, you didn't give them the power to do anything. n/t forgotmylogin Feb 2025 #13
Can't Disagree DAngelo136 Feb 2025 #14
Most people? Do you have any proof? bronxiteforever Feb 2025 #16
It's just his endless schtick of attacking fellow DUers. demmiblue Feb 2025 #21
Is this irony? Nixie Feb 2025 #56
No no proof of it, and I will continue to call out anyone who is not fighting this HARD and to give my input Meowmee Feb 2025 #75
Well Said Aepps22 Feb 2025 #19
Goodbye orangecrush Feb 2025 #20
What your saying is their message isn't getting out Historic NY Feb 2025 #22
This! mcar Feb 2025 #23
How anti-democratic of you. Buzz cook Feb 2025 #24
Read that and thought, there is always the lone gunman. Dan Feb 2025 #25
I'm not a member of an organized political party - I'm a Democrat. Compliments of Will Rogers 1932 (?). flashman13 Feb 2025 #26
Based on what data? Voltaire2 Feb 2025 #27
Now, now. It doesn't work that way. Orrex Feb 2025 #70
You want people to follow you? Then Lead!!! Yavin4 Feb 2025 #30
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #31
they are outing themselves all over the place stillcool Feb 2025 #33
And the ones attacking those critics are the same cheeleaders who praised Garland. Orrex Feb 2025 #39
same people working to fuck this up by attacking Democrats instead of republicans bigtree Feb 2025 #43
Stop Cirsium Feb 2025 #53
Please explain how Orrex, the anonymous nobody, is going to Fuck This Up Orrex Feb 2025 #69
it's rather absurd to post on a prominent Democratic message board bigtree Feb 2025 #73
Well if Chuck Boomer is going to be weak and Amy Klobuchar wants to "work with" Fascists it's called gor! LW1977 Feb 2025 #40
I don't fit your theory at all, I suspect countless others also stand outside your model as well. Maru Kitteh Feb 2025 #42
I know bigtree Feb 2025 #44
You said I should act as an 'echo' to what leadership are saying. I told you Maru Kitteh Feb 2025 #52
Then why are you attacking people? Cirsium Feb 2025 #45
Well said. Scrivener7 Feb 2025 #62
"this is legislating time." - how utterly clueless. Voltaire2 Feb 2025 #65
This don't fight back has been going on since 2000 GoreWon2000 Feb 2025 #46
Thank you for your sheer eloquence, bigtree. Too many to count are acting as our own worst enemy... Hekate Feb 2025 #49
Thank you profusely. I understand of course the horror of our country dissolving... NNadir Feb 2025 #50
Co-signed Hitorque Feb 2025 #51
Jaimie Raskin is on fire at USAID. I hope it's contagious. nolabear Feb 2025 #58
Thank-you happy feet Feb 2025 #59
In other words, never criticize Democrats HereForTheParty Feb 2025 #66
Which Democrats are standing idly by? Elessar Zappa Feb 2025 #71
Stop voting for Trump nominees HereForTheParty Feb 2025 #72
Exactly. choie Feb 2025 #78
Thank you! betsuni Feb 2025 #74
"the unfairly maligned Schumer" choie Feb 2025 #76
I hear you, but it will never change. It's who Dems are. Blasphemer Feb 2025 #77
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