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Mon Feb 3, 2025, 11:34 AM Feb 3

Most of the same people dragging Dems today are the same people who thought attacking Dems in the last election was fine [View all]

...with 'why don't they do this?' or, 'why didn't they do that?

Or Joe Biden is old. Or, why doesn't the U.S. president end the Israeli assault in Gaza. On and on, from one whinge to the next about our own candidate.

What the fuck did people think was going to happen when party leaders and other used their elevated platforms to whine and moan about Joe Biden until he stepped aside?

What the fuck did they think was going to happen leaving the VP with just three months to campaign? And, even then, dragging on the VP with endless projections.

Now we're in a fight where the actual villain is in office and there's no campaign or election within reach, and we have people just leaning into Democrats, instead of attacking republicans, all the while telling us how ineffective Democrats' messaging has been.

They're complaining about messaging, as if publicly dragging Democrats is some sort of opposition to republicans. It's not, and it's actually exploited by people whose interest and entire mission is to divide Democrats among ourselves. It's been that way for decades now.

I pay a lot of attention, and I can confidently say that our Democratic leadership may not be doing that brilliant thing you thought of, but they are, essentially, their own political operation. They are not standing still. They have not been silent. They have been waging their opposition any way they can manage in the minority.

We didn't provide them with enough members to do anything but talk, but, nonetheless, there are people dragging Democrats for stepping out and informing their constituents of what republicans are doing, and urging US to get out and confront the republicans who are in complete control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.

Republicans control the legislative agenda, and they have enough votes to pass almost anything with their own membership. We're basically in a protest/defensive mode at this point; not just Americans, but the people we managed to advance into office.

There will be lawsuits filed, but that's the ONLY direct influence Democrats will have until we have a chance in the midterms to take back control of the legislature. The only power they have is the elevation of their offices and their voices.

When they write a letter demanding the president do something, or demanding he desist, that's their job, and speaking truth to power is the ONLY one we equipped them for in the last election.

THAT's the game right now. Not whether someone didn't say what's in someone else's head, but what they are actually saying. We need to confront our legislators we elected where they actually stand, not where we imagine they should be.

We forfeited any real power of demanding things from our national legislators, because we sent them there neutered and functionally ill-equipped, so, functionally ineffective.

But some people are thinking there's something they can whip out of the wreckage of the election Democratic voters squandered away, by dressing up the minority they engineered for us in Congress like they're actually the ones on power and authority and punching them until they bruise and bleed.

Again, you have to just use that imagination that pretends Democrats have some magic solution they're refusing to deploy, and think of all of the people out there who've never valued a robust and united Democratic party who think this is their moment to tear the party apart, as if they had the ability to put a robust and united opposition party back together again.

Long and short? I know Democrats are speaking out because, I bother to look, read, and listen to more than the teevee news and twitter. We need to amplify those efforts, because we can't organize a resistance with gaslighting and resentment toward our own people.

Our elected Democrats make their efforts, and we endeavor to build on those. Makes sense, unless we intend to nominate ourselves for the legislature. Makes little sense supposing they aren't doing anything because you don't see it on the news.

More folks need to take the time to find out what they're saying and doing and amplifying the advocacy coming from our elected officials. I've seen Raskin, Warren, Jeffries, and countless others, including the unfairly maligned Schumer, all of them out EVERY DAY since the inauguration with their advocacy.

Yes, you have to go look because, the teevee news won't cover them. With the platforms that people use to spread cynicism about out Democrats, they could be piggybacking on the advocacy of our Dems. It's there, they just have to look for themselves. It sucks, but that's the resistance game.

We are the ultimate engines of our democracy; not just the people we manage to elect.

This is legislating time, and we don't have the votes to control anything. What our Democrats in Congress need are our voices in opposition to REPUBLICANS and against what Trump and his maga henchmen are doing to the nation.

We're ALL in the resistance now, both the public and the Democrats we were able to elect. All of us are out of power right now, and the ONLY course that will right this sinking ship is to unite, bail, and hopefully in time, regain the helm.

-Ron

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Unite; Don't Divide! MineralMan Feb 3 #1
Some of us are frustrated since inauguration NCDem47 Feb 3 #2
This was all on the November 5th ballot Quiet Em Feb 3 #5
Agree!! NCDem47 Feb 3 #7
too funny stillcool Feb 3 #35
"Some" of the people who don't see the urgency from D's are also deliberately staying away from MSNBC pnwmom Feb 3 #55
I agree with you, but it was even before the election...As I have said before, THEY KNEW republicans WOULD Escurumbele Feb 3 #63
There won't be *another* time DSandra Feb 3 #3
Always remember, God is still on the throne. BannonsLiver Feb 3 #6
Oh, I'm inspired, all right. dchill Feb 3 #15
You proved the OPs point mcar Feb 3 #28
Reminds me of a story BannonsLiver Feb 3 #34
Not trying to be snarky angrychair Feb 3 #38
You are very correct. When the GOP is in the minority, they cause enough problems to gum up the whole works. hadEnuf Feb 3 #60
You're making the OPs point happy feet Feb 3 #61
Those are speeches, not actions angrychair Feb 3 #67
If there was a God trump would be by Ivana on hole #1 of his Golf course. Escurumbele Feb 3 #64
Might wanna let Hakeem know. BannonsLiver Feb 3 #68
That's exactly right BannonsLiver Feb 3 #4
People have every right to say something about elected leaders who see nothing/hear nothing/do nothing dalton99a Feb 3 #8
call them out bigtree Feb 3 #9
That might be because, as a whole, they are doing nothing. Think. Again. Feb 3 #17
Really? mcar Feb 3 #29
Looks like our "whinging" is working! Think. Again. Feb 3 #32
How is it you know that? stillcool Feb 3 #36
I don't live under a rock? Think. Again. Feb 3 #37
Really? Do you have any Democrats stillcool Feb 3 #41
I don't understand why you're asking me that. Think. Again. Feb 3 #57
Isn't your thread an attack on Democrats? gab13by13 Feb 3 #10
ALL OF THIS johnnyfins Feb 3 #11
Short and sweet, and to the point. dchill Feb 3 #18
I agree Mountain Mule Feb 3 #47
Camilla? SocialDemocrat61 Feb 3 #48
LOL Mountain Mule Feb 3 #54
We need STRONG leadership NOW!, KEEP UP THE NOISE Think. Again. Feb 3 #12
If you didn't support and vote Democratic, you didn't give them the power to do anything. n/t forgotmylogin Feb 3 #13
Can't Disagree DAngelo136 Feb 3 #14
Most people? Do you have any proof? bronxiteforever Feb 3 #16
It's just his endless schtick of attacking fellow DUers. demmiblue Feb 3 #21
Is this irony? Nixie Feb 3 #56
No no proof of it, and I will continue to call out anyone who is not fighting this HARD and to give my input Meowmee Feb 3 #75
Well Said Aepps22 Feb 3 #19
Goodbye orangecrush Feb 3 #20
What your saying is their message isn't getting out Historic NY Feb 3 #22
This! mcar Feb 3 #23
How anti-democratic of you. Buzz cook Feb 3 #24
Read that and thought, there is always the lone gunman. Dan Feb 3 #25
I'm not a member of an organized political party - I'm a Democrat. Compliments of Will Rogers 1932 (?). flashman13 Feb 3 #26
Based on what data? Voltaire2 Feb 3 #27
Now, now. It doesn't work that way. Orrex Feb 3 #70
You want people to follow you? Then Lead!!! Yavin4 Feb 3 #30
Post removed Post removed Feb 3 #31
they are outing themselves all over the place stillcool Feb 3 #33
And the ones attacking those critics are the same cheeleaders who praised Garland. Orrex Feb 3 #39
same people working to fuck this up by attacking Democrats instead of republicans bigtree Feb 3 #43
Stop Cirsium Feb 3 #53
Please explain how Orrex, the anonymous nobody, is going to Fuck This Up Orrex Feb 3 #69
it's rather absurd to post on a prominent Democratic message board bigtree Feb 3 #73
Well if Chuck Boomer is going to be weak and Amy Klobuchar wants to "work with" Fascists it's called gor! LW1977 Feb 3 #40
I don't fit your theory at all, I suspect countless others also stand outside your model as well. Maru Kitteh Feb 3 #42
I know bigtree Feb 3 #44
You said I should act as an 'echo' to what leadership are saying. I told you Maru Kitteh Feb 3 #52
Then why are you attacking people? Cirsium Feb 3 #45
Well said. Scrivener7 Feb 3 #62
"this is legislating time." - how utterly clueless. Voltaire2 Feb 3 #65
This don't fight back has been going on since 2000 GoreWon2000 Feb 3 #46
Thank you for your sheer eloquence, bigtree. Too many to count are acting as our own worst enemy... Hekate Feb 3 #49
Thank you profusely. I understand of course the horror of our country dissolving... NNadir Feb 3 #50
Co-signed Hitorque Feb 3 #51
Jaimie Raskin is on fire at USAID. I hope it's contagious. nolabear Feb 3 #58
Thank-you happy feet Feb 3 #59
In other words, never criticize Democrats HereForTheParty Feb 3 #66
Which Democrats are standing idly by? Elessar Zappa Feb 3 #71
Stop voting for Trump nominees HereForTheParty Feb 3 #72
Exactly. choie Feb 3 #78
Thank you! betsuni Feb 3 #74
"the unfairly maligned Schumer" choie Feb 3 #76
I hear you, but it will never change. It's who Dems are. Blasphemer Feb 3 #77
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