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Wiz Imp

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48. I don't believe he was advocating for ethnic cleansing, though it may have come across that way.
Wed Feb 5, 2025, 10:47 AM
4 hrs ago

I suspect he will walk back the statement somewhat to make that clear. Fetterman has always been to the right of most Pro-Israel folks here on this issue. In fact, he has always been effectively on the far right fringe of this issue overall, and the far right fringe immediately applauded Trump's statement. (Note Fetterman didn't applaud it, he called it provocative so he didn't explicitly endorse it, but he refused to condemn it like most Democrats have done)

From an article from a year ago:

https://jacobin.com/2024/01/john-fetterman-palestine-israeli-state-apartheid-war-gaza-progressive
John Fetterman Keeps Defending the Indefensible in Gaza
Even in a world where the Israeli government had heeded various warnings and headed off Hamas’s attack on October 7, this would be an ugly blotch on whatever record Fetterman would otherwise be able to claim of standing for justice. But in the last three months, Israel has committed atrocities in Gaza on a level that dwarf anything it’s done since the original“Nakba” (catastrophe) that drove hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of the country during the creation of the state.

And through it all, Fetterman has continuously doubled down on his enthusiasm for the Israeli state. He told Politico at the end of December that whatever “diversity of opinions” existed among Senate Democrats with regard to the onslaught on Gaza, and however much the caucus might “splinter” on the issue, he would always be “the last man standing to be absolutely there on the Israeli side on this with no conditions.”

In an interview a week earlier with the New York Times, Fetterman expressed surprise that so many of his former supporters seemed shocked by his position. “I do find it confusing,” he told the Times, “where the very left progressives in America don’t seem to want to support really the only progressive nation in the region that really embraces the same kind of values I would expect we would want as a society.”

In terms of the substance of the argument, this is the thinnest possible reed on which Senator Fetterman could hang his enthusiastic support for a state currently engaged in ethnic cleansing of an internal noncitizen population. It’s a fairly popular rhetorical strategy, though, and so it’s probably worth spending a moment explaining why it makes so little sense. Fetterman isn’t being terribly original. I’ve heard many apologists for the Israeli government using variations of this point — think about all the right-wing sneering about “Queers for Palestine” or about secular leftists in the West “siding with radical Islam.”

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Fetterman supports US occupation of Gaza [View all] muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago OP
Of course he does ShadesOfBlue 10 hrs ago #1
WTF Happened To Him? WiVoter 10 hrs ago #2
Just revealing what he really is! True Blue American 10 hrs ago #3
That is exactly right. It should be a lesson about populists. They talk JohnSJ 3 hrs ago #57
He's mentally unstable Ponietz 10 hrs ago #5
I never really liked him Pris 10 hrs ago #8
Jmo, but the Tree of Life synagogue shooting Deminpenn 9 hrs ago #12
Did he recall... ShadesOfBlue 3 hrs ago #56
That info came out later Deminpenn 2 hrs ago #63
brain damage. mopinko 9 hrs ago #13
I think so too Woodycall 9 hrs ago #15
He's a Wolf in Cargo Pants AStern 1 hr ago #66
Does he think his constituents want us to send troops to Gaza? Walleye 10 hrs ago #4
not troops, jews. all of them rampartd 9 hrs ago #14
The Hoodie person in the Senate is a demagogue Bread and Circuses 10 hrs ago #6
Israelis want a two state solution Mossfern 6 hrs ago #34
How I wish that were true about Israel!! AloeVera 5 hrs ago #39
Palestinians NEVER wanted a 2 state solution Sundance1220 3 hrs ago #50
Palestinians did not choose war in 1948. AloeVera 3 hrs ago #53
They and their Arab neighbors Sundance1220 2 hrs ago #62
Israel didn't abide by the terms of the Partition. AloeVera 2 hrs ago #64
Spare me Sundance1220 1 hr ago #68
Lol. AloeVera 1 hr ago #70
The numbers do surprise me Mossfern 2 hrs ago #60
Thanks for this. AloeVera 1 hr ago #69
A tired talking point for those who excuse Israel apartheid tendencies ShadesOfBlue 3 hrs ago #58
Speaking of talking points .... Mossfern 3 hrs ago #59
Israeli's USED to want a 2 state solution Sundance1220 3 hrs ago #49
Grrr. Our DU Terms of Service require us to support Democrats, but... Mister Ed 10 hrs ago #7
Post removed Post removed 10 hrs ago #9
A Zionist is a person who believes that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. madaboutharry 7 hrs ago #21
Get the hell out samplegirl 9 hrs ago #10
Nope Sundance1220 3 hrs ago #51
DINO Joinfortmill 9 hrs ago #11
Pennsylvania videohead5 9 hrs ago #16
OMFG SunSeeker 8 hrs ago #17
JFC, Fetterman's talking and voting like he was raised in Dubois!! no_hypocrisy 8 hrs ago #18
Fetterman has gone... Escape 7 hrs ago #19
Democrats should do a better job vetting their candidates. nt RandiFan1290 7 hrs ago #20
I wonder if Conor Lamb could have beaten Mehmet Oz. JustABozoOnThisBus 7 hrs ago #22
Thinking of things said to have been negative for Oz, I think Lamb would have won karynnj 5 hrs ago #41
WTF has happened to this guy? He's talking like a right-wing loony tune. Vinca 7 hrs ago #23
I will not vote for him again. I hope he gets primaried. ellemb 7 hrs ago #24
Sounds like Fetterman is the new Joe Manchin. nt doc03 6 hrs ago #25
Fetterman is acting claudette 6 hrs ago #26
Sounds to me like Fetterman got Lyndsey Graham'd gab13by13 6 hrs ago #27
I wonder what his wife Gisele knows about all this... at one time Ars Longa 1 hr ago #67
Bummer, Fetterman is one of our Senators. Doubt that an email will help but I'll write one dutch777 6 hrs ago #28
Post removed Post removed 6 hrs ago #29
Yeah, it's a duck. LuvLoogie 6 hrs ago #30
And it's not American occupation of Gaza choie 6 hrs ago #31
Trump says he might use US troops for it muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #32
He's lost whatever mind he had. spanone 6 hrs ago #33
He must be smoking what Trump is smoking surfered 6 hrs ago #35
I think that stroke fucked his brain vercetti2021 6 hrs ago #36
it's the kind of personality change i have seen. mopinko 6 hrs ago #37
Fetterman's position on Israel & Palestine has not changed. Even before he was elected, his views on this Wiz Imp 6 hrs ago #38
Advocating ethnic cleansing is going more extreme, however muriel_volestrangler 4 hrs ago #45
I don't believe he was advocating for ethnic cleansing, though it may have come across that way. Wiz Imp 4 hrs ago #48
Isn't that precious. Of course he does. ananda 5 hrs ago #40
I wonder why folks preferred him over Conor Lamb. Oopsie Daisy 5 hrs ago #42
What a shame. He could have left a legacy. Now he's just another stooge. Jakes Progress 5 hrs ago #43
This man is not a Democrat. sinkingfeeling 4 hrs ago #44
ethnic cleanser. bigtree 4 hrs ago #46
I am very confused by him mcar 4 hrs ago #47
Are we allowed to criticize him yet? Lunabell 3 hrs ago #52
Say bye bye. He's gone MAGA lite (for now) awesomerwb1 3 hrs ago #54
Party switch to Independent in 5...4...3...2... nt Shipwack 3 hrs ago #55
Wish Rebl2 2 hrs ago #61
He may be headed for political "No Mans Land" Ars Longa 1 hr ago #65
We should pretty much ignore his stupid ass, he probably loves all y'all talking about him all the time. Wingus Dingus 1 hr ago #71
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