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mackdaddy

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30. I was involved in the Green party recount in 2004. I do not trust the card reading programs used.
Mon Feb 17, 2025, 04:04 PM
Feb 2025

I am a Lifelong Democrat but a lot of shit went down in 2004.

The tech for the voting system visited the local BOE and suggested to them to just write the original count number on an innocous post card or post-it note and put it on the wall so they would be sure they got the 'correct' count. The assistant supervisor of elections (D) told me so I could report up the chain that this conversation happened. She later got fired for telling this happened.

Later I realized that this was at a minimum a conspiracy and suborning perjury in planning to falsify a recount.

We tried to after the recount was done to just her and I do a hand recount of a few smaller precincts. We were illegally barred from looking at them 'in case there was a lawsuit'.

She did get a job at another state agency for a few years until she got her state retirement.

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K. Nt BootinUp Feb 2025 #1
Amen!!! K&R NT autorank Feb 2025 #165
Doubting malaise agrees malaise Feb 2025 #2
Reason Is My God MayReasonRule Feb 2025 #46
May reason rule malaise Feb 2025 #99
Indeed Malaise... Lie, Cheat, Steal... MayReasonRule Feb 2025 #104
Me too, but also think the fake assassination attempt was totally... CoopersDad Feb 2025 #49
Same here malaise Feb 2025 #68
Count me in!! ailsagirl Feb 2025 #129
Of all the data points, that was the one that pushed me into it possibly being faked. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2025 #69
I'm sure we all remember how he reacted to the bald eagle. 3catwoman3 Feb 2025 #87
Exactly! Pacifist Patriot Feb 2025 #94
And the shooter was promptly eliminated, naturally. hadEnuf Feb 2025 #169
I never saw a body, never heard anything about a funeral, Meadowoak Feb 2025 #182
Of course that is how conspiracies work usaf-vet Feb 2025 #187
Absolutely! Escape Feb 2025 #72
My guess is that they told him they'd be using blanks. dchill Feb 2025 #84
Also, Secret Service agents are not trained to let their Bettie Feb 2025 #102
So they were "in on it" then. Callie1979 Feb 2025 #103
He hand picked his detail Bettie Feb 2025 #105
No kidding Figarosmom Feb 2025 #114
Odd Katcat Feb 2025 #147
Exactly hawkeye21 Feb 2025 #116
Someone died a few feet away. This is Alex Jones level stuff. tritsofme Feb 2025 #120
You mean the bad guys are too good to let a bystander become a victim? CoopersDad Feb 2025 #121
lol, no. You're the one giving them ridiculously too much credit. tritsofme Feb 2025 #122
celebrity apprentice penn gillette does a similar stunt as part of his vegas act rampartd Feb 2025 #168
Yikes, I hadn't encountered this assassin-truther stuff here until today. tritsofme Feb 2025 #172
Unless thinkingagain Feb 2025 #127
Unless thinkingagain Feb 2025 #128
I don't think he would be brave enough to let the bullet get close questionseverything Feb 2025 #160
Doubting True Blue Agrees True Blue American Feb 2025 #62
We're supposed to believe that psychopaths didn't cheat. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #3
Who also had the capability cilla4progress Feb 2025 #59
Exactly Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #71
We know there was massive disenfranchisement. As to any manipulation, well, I don't know, but... hlthe2b Feb 2025 #4
The Ohio voting systems were hacked in Ohio in the 2004 election gab13by13 Feb 2025 #6
Those at DU then are quite aware of SOS Blackwell... hlthe2b Feb 2025 #11
I was involved in the Green party recount in 2004. I do not trust the card reading programs used. mackdaddy Feb 2025 #30
When anybody questions my... Chemical Bill Feb 2025 #132
Oh yeah, DeWine True Blue American Feb 2025 #63
Elon and his "vote-counting computers," the ones he "knows better than anyone else," and "ended up winning sop Feb 2025 #5
Yes, this! Diamond_Dog Feb 2025 #83
And why did Shitler say he didn't need anyone to vote because he and Eloon have a secret. OMGWTF Feb 2025 #161
Republicans cheat. Turbineguy Feb 2025 #7
I am not convinced it was edhopper Feb 2025 #8
Am not critical if anyone thinks it could've been stolen. It was so close. Looked it up today to allegorical oracle Feb 2025 #75
The difference isnt even that much; just the difference in a few swing states. Callie1979 Feb 2025 #107
Hope party leaders aren't making plans for mid-terms and 2028 based upon "2024 was stolen." Silent Type Feb 2025 #9
I hope they are or we are doomed gab13by13 Feb 2025 #12
Exactly. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #27
Once again, can you provide just one example of a purged voter showing up at polls and not being able to vote? Silent Type Feb 2025 #37
Millions of legal voters were purged. gab13by13 Feb 2025 #53
So, no examples. Just belief in Palast about purged voters who vast majority of time had moved out of the district. Silent Type Feb 2025 #61
So republicans have spent many millions on questionseverything Feb 2025 #159
Just give me one example of a voter who was purged showing up a polls and being declined. Silent Type Feb 2025 #162
I have seen it personally in Ohio in 2004, 2008, & 2012. Botany Feb 2025 #192
But none in 2024. Heck, Lyndon Johnson "cheated" in his first election. Silent Type Feb 2025 #194
Kurt Vonnegut would say you have a straw man fishing for red herrings Botany Feb 2025 #196
nods head in agreement questionseverything Feb 2025 #198
Thanx for the nod Botany Feb 2025 #200
I live in GA. I've seen no stories of people not being allowed to vote. Callie1979 Feb 2025 #109
A provisional vote very rarely gets counted that is the problem questionseverything Feb 2025 #131
So where are THOSE stories? The hard fact is no polls ever showed Harris winning Callie1979 Feb 2025 #188
We live in an upside down world... billions for campaigns questionseverything Feb 2025 #195
We have people with plenty of money. So why haven't they used it? Callie1979 Feb 2025 #202
The only way ordinary citizens can oversee their elections is to hand count paper ballots in full public view questionseverything Feb 2025 #203
All states have laws regarding recounts. Are you saying we dont need to follow those laws? Callie1979 Feb 2025 #207
Trmp Lost. Vote Suppression Won. By Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report usonian Feb 2025 #10
Eloonatic and his Colossus dickus "won" Clouds Passing Feb 2025 #16
Are we going to use Greg Palast's BS as an excuse everytime we lose for next few decades? That's sure to work. Silent Type Feb 2025 #39
----Like They Stole It! McKim Feb 2025 #181
Not saying yes, or no. BUT i gotta wonder why Marc Elias stands firm on it was not.(anyone know his reasoning?) bluestarone Feb 2025 #13
His reasoning is pretty simple, he doesn't get fooled by completely unsubstantiated Trump-style conspiracy theories. tritsofme Feb 2025 #74
I would hazard a guess that Elias thinks this because it hasn't been proven in a court of law. chowder66 Feb 2025 #190
He didn't have a problem with the bomb scares either questionseverything Feb 2025 #199
It's not like tsf bragged about doing just that in his inaugural Clouds Passing Feb 2025 #14
Living in Ohio has more than taught me Hope22 Feb 2025 #15
My friends in Florida tell me gab13by13 Feb 2025 #21
True words. Nt. Hope22 Feb 2025 #41
by over 100,000!! ElementaryPenguin Feb 2025 #51
Add to that number markodochartaigh Feb 2025 #70
Sent info discounting Bush reason. Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #42
It has been a long road. Hope22 Feb 2025 #48
Agreed Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #58
I have no doubt. 58Sunliner Feb 2025 #17
Algorithms steal the ballot box by influencing behavior JCMach1 Feb 2025 #18
I have said that since November 6th... PittBlue Feb 2025 #19
Never. Too many things have happened in this country that most people swore did not happen. OldBaldy1701E Feb 2025 #20
I don't know if it was stolen or not. But I do know Bluetus Feb 2025 #22
Exactly This Deep State Witch Feb 2025 #23
I don't cotton to a discussion board telling me I am not "allowed" to believe something LizBeth Feb 2025 #24
The OP advised you not to lecture OP Ponietz Feb 2025 #26
I was agreeing with the OP. That some of us believe it was stolen LizBeth Feb 2025 #92
I have zero problem with people who believe the election was fair. gab13by13 Feb 2025 #32
There's not a rule against spreading conspiracy theories. tritsofme Feb 2025 #76
There actually is a rule. Check the TOS. n/t Ms. Toad Feb 2025 #86
I was about to say the same radical noodle Feb 2025 #112
thread winner Abraham Slender Feb 2025 #88
What do you mean by that? GP6971 Feb 2025 #113
I am agreeing with you. I thought it stolen also and we are told we are not suppose to believe LizBeth Feb 2025 #93
im more and more inclined to believe it quakerboy Feb 2025 #25
Musk just earlier told India about their election Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #36
Other things Trump has bragged about EdmondDantes_ Feb 2025 #193
AMEN! AND exactly! Leave us not forget the bomb threats that were ONLY in democratic strongholds in SWING STATES, The_REAL_Ecumenist Feb 2025 #28
Those bullet ballots will haunt me forever. Vinca Feb 2025 #29
The bullet ballot theory was immediately disproven EdmondDantes_ Feb 2025 #125
I almost wonder if that post was intended as satire? Because "bullet ballots" was perhaps the silliest of the nonsense tritsofme Feb 2025 #143
What are bullet ballots? Dynamic Unicorn Feb 2025 #141
The Brookings Institute describes them. ancianita Feb 2025 #144
Thank you! Dynamic Unicorn Feb 2025 #146
Not a problem! Welcome to DU! ancianita Feb 2025 #148
Republican IT specialist dies in plane crash Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #31
Coincidence, I guess. gab13by13 Feb 2025 #33
It seems to be the way republicans silence. Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #35
Mike Connell, GovTech Solutions PLANE CRASH suegeo Feb 2025 #67
Forgot this gem. Bush's gag order Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #34
I don't believe it was rigged,stolen whatever...never will Bengus81 Feb 2025 #38
Ummm do you remember Georgia... Hope22 Feb 2025 #45
The difference is the incumbent Trump knew 100% he had the 2020 election in the bag Bengus81 Feb 2025 #98
.....Arizona....I think some of his peeps went to jail. Hope22 Feb 2025 #180
The thing is, none of this is up to him. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2025 #123
And "they" didn't think to do the same in downstream races? EdmondDantes_ Feb 2025 #152
You are correct. Trump is an ass and would not be in charge of any vote tampering. hadEnuf Feb 2025 #175
Why I disagree Metaphorical Feb 2025 #133
Is this on us because dems didn't insist on an audit of election results? flamingdem Feb 2025 #40
No lectures from me 😹 Meowmee Feb 2025 #43
It's who we are as a country stillcool Feb 2025 #44
Watching cars go by... Celerity Feb 2025 #64
Global fortunes, corporations, and oligarchs aren't likely to just trust one country's quaint election system without wiggs Feb 2025 #47
i also feel that it was bought by musk and the kotchs . AllaN01Bear Feb 2025 #50
It was, read Greg Palast Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #52
I read it. Dynamic Unicorn Feb 2025 #140
Palast has links to everything he sites questionseverything Feb 2025 #158
I just read through his claims again. Dynamic Unicorn Feb 2025 #170
For 30 years palast has been an investigating reporter for questionseverything Feb 2025 #197
I am not questioning his credentials. Dynamic Unicorn Feb 2025 #201
I live in a town in South Jersey and never waited more than 30 minutes to vote. 2024 the line was 4 hours in some areas. Pepsidog Feb 2025 #54
In Western PA, undocumented cash bought a million yard signs for Trump. John1956PA Feb 2025 #80
Where is Kamala Harris on this? GreenWave Feb 2025 #55
Thinking about the future, not wallowing in ridiculous Trump-style election denial conspiracy theories. tritsofme Feb 2025 #77
There may be no future, given the control Trump now has over the Federal government. pnwmom Feb 2025 #118
None of them were particularly curious. tritsofme Feb 2025 #119
I really think no one will ever know what was happening in the states that had the mysterious bomb threats pnwmom Feb 2025 #153
Unless we can find proof the point is moot really neohippie Feb 2025 #56
Yeah, well, unless we believe, nobody will bother to KPN Feb 2025 #184
I've been looking neohippie Feb 2025 #189
Can't find proof without looking as far as I know KPN Feb 2025 #191
Completely agree cilla4progress Feb 2025 #57
I strongly believe it was stolen annielion Feb 2025 #60
2020-2024: Denying election results is a dangerous norm violation Jose Garcia Feb 2025 #65
People believing things that aren't true is how we got here in the first place. alarimer Feb 2025 #179
Same question I ask Republicans who say 2020 was stolen. Mountainguy Feb 2025 #66
Karl Rove said they could onoy cheat if it was close IbogaProject Feb 2025 #134
Funny Mountainguy Feb 2025 #149
Obama said, " we have to beat them so bad there is no doubt " questionseverything Feb 2025 #204
Jeeze, not yet more of this shit... reACTIONary Feb 2025 #73
No lectures here. BlueKota Feb 2025 #78
If Musk and the baby goons can hack into the Treasury and a New York bank Greybnk48 Feb 2025 #79
I read that also HappyH Feb 2025 #81
You'll never convince me that musty and his tech bois didn't flip the votes. Lunabell Feb 2025 #82
and then Republican Senator Chuck Nagel mokeyz Feb 2025 #85
Oh yes....what a nefarious character...a former Obama Defense Secretary! lol tritsofme Feb 2025 #89
So long as you accept that disagreement is not necessarily lecturing TheProle Feb 2025 #90
I have major suspicions mvd Feb 2025 #91
If you don't want to be lectured Progressive dog Feb 2025 #95
No argument for me. Susan Calvin Feb 2025 #96
it was stolen 4catsmom Feb 2025 #97
Totally agree keepthemhonestO Feb 2025 #100
maga claims the same about 2020 krawhitham Feb 2025 #101
I would not do that. Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2025 #106
gab13by13 is right on here. It's OK to say the election was stolen because it was. flashman13 Feb 2025 #108
There's a HowSpecialIsThis Feb 2025 #110
Total Presidential Votes: 2020 158,383,403 vs 2024 155,238,302 SnoopDog Feb 2025 #111
Of course less voted, and it was always expected that less would vote Polybius Feb 2025 #155
Covid lead to INCREASED voter turnout LeftInTX Feb 2025 #171
So, you proved my point. SnoopDog Feb 2025 #186
Agree Figarosmom Feb 2025 #115
Elon Musk used a team of Starlink equipped AI powered Cybertrucks to manipulate the results Bonx Feb 2025 #117
Don't forget 2016 MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2025 #124
I wouldn't because I do as well. bullimiami Feb 2025 #126
You'll get no argument from me... only way it makes sense!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2025 #130
It's the only way they can 'win' Blue Owl Feb 2025 #135
Right there with ya MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2025 #142
I agree. ERW Feb 2025 #136
I agree and I think we should be screaming it from the rooftops. They have started to use words c-rational Feb 2025 #137
I agree with you. ananda Feb 2025 #138
K&R spanone Feb 2025 #139
No push back from me, even though I may not agree with you. FHRRK Feb 2025 #145
We have had the wrong message re: 2020 election V850i Feb 2025 #150
Elon said it's easy to change a computer program annielion Feb 2025 #151
"Musk and the Russian GRU stole the election for Trump" red dog 1 Feb 2025 #154
"Every Republican since Nixon was elected by cheating. All of them. This time was no different. red dog 1 Feb 2025 #156
How did Reagan cheat in the 1984 election when he got 62% of the vote? totodeinhere Feb 2025 #205
Reagan cheated in 1980 by subterfuge and treasonous acts by his campaign team. red dog 1 Feb 2025 #206
Yes, I am aware of 1980. I was referring to Reagans's landslide victory in 1984. totodeinhere Feb 2025 #209
You're right, he didn't have to cheat in 1984, only because the Democratic Party was a divided party that year. red dog 1 Feb 2025 #210
In 1984, former Vice President Walter Mondale was challenged in the primaries by Senator Gary Hart red dog 1 Feb 2025 #208
The 1876 and 1888 elections also had stolen claims Polybius Feb 2025 #157
However, I do believe that one of LBJ's senate primaries "could" have been stolen. Not many checks and balances LeftInTX Feb 2025 #174
I agree with you karin_sj Feb 2025 #163
If Democrats are going to be irrational conspiracy nuts too- R0ckyRac00n Feb 2025 #164
I think it was likely stolen I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2025 #166
I believe it too in spite of my familys' insistence that I'm just loony that way. lark Feb 2025 #167
Same OnionPatch Feb 2025 #173
Trump whined about a rigged election from the start. lees1975 Feb 2025 #176
Republicans ALWAYS Cheat Kid Berwyn Feb 2025 #177
How was PA "stolen"? PennRalphie Feb 2025 #178
Evidence? Martin68 Feb 2025 #183
Sorry, but that's not how a discussion board works. onenote Feb 2025 #185
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