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In reply to the discussion: Don't Lecture Me If I Believe The Election Was Stolen [View all]pnwmom
(109,945 posts)153. I really think no one will ever know what was happening in the states that had the mysterious bomb threats
causing people to desert the buildings.
And I know serious questions have been raised by professors in computer science across the country, which could have been answered if at least a few states did a hand recount.
"A group of computer security experts have written to Vice President Kamala Harris to alert her to the fact that voting systems were breached by Trump allies in 2021 and 2022 and to urge her to seek recounts in key states to ensure election verification.
Following the 2020 election, operatives working with Trump attorneys accessed voting equipment in order to gain copies of the software that records and counts votes. The letter to Vice President Harris argues that this extraordinary and unprecedented breach in election system security merits conducting recounts of paper ballots in order to confirm computer-generated tallies. The letter also highlights the fact that the post-election audits in many key states will be conducted after certification and after the window to seek recounts closes, and that therefore recounts should be sought promptly.
The letter states: “Possessing copies of the voting system software enables bad actors to install it on electronic devices and to create their own working replicas of the voting systems, probe them, and develop exploits. Skilled adversaries can decompile the software to get a version of the source code, study it for vulnerabilities, and could even develop malware designed to be installed with minimal physical access to the voting equipment by unskilled accomplices to manipulate the vote counts. Attacks could also be launched by compromising the vendors responsible for programming systems before elections, enabling large-scale distribution of malware.”
“In December 2022 and again in 2023, many of us, concerned by the security risks posed by these breaches, wrote to the Attorney General, FBI Director, and Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director outlining the security concerns and urging an investigation. Though there have been limited, localized investigations, there is no evidence of a federal investigation to determine what was done with the misappropriated voting software.”
The letter is signed by Professor Duncan Buell, Ph.D., Chair Emeritus — NCR Chair in Computer Science and Engineering, Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering, University of South Carolina*; David Jefferson Ph.D., Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory* (retired), Election Integrity Foundation*; Susan Greenhalgh, Senior Advisor for Election Security, Free Speech For People; Chris Klaus, Chief Executive Officer, Fusen World*; William John Malik, Malik Consulting, LLC*; Marilyn R. Marks, Executive Director, Coalition for Good Governance; Peter G. Neumann Ph.D., Chief Scientist, SRI International Computer Science Lab*; and Professor John E. Savage, Ph.D, An Wang Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, Brown University*.
https://freespeechforpeople.org/computer-scientists-breaches-of-voting-system-software-warrant-recounts-to-ensure-election-verification/
Following the 2020 election, operatives working with Trump attorneys accessed voting equipment in order to gain copies of the software that records and counts votes. The letter to Vice President Harris argues that this extraordinary and unprecedented breach in election system security merits conducting recounts of paper ballots in order to confirm computer-generated tallies. The letter also highlights the fact that the post-election audits in many key states will be conducted after certification and after the window to seek recounts closes, and that therefore recounts should be sought promptly.
The letter states: “Possessing copies of the voting system software enables bad actors to install it on electronic devices and to create their own working replicas of the voting systems, probe them, and develop exploits. Skilled adversaries can decompile the software to get a version of the source code, study it for vulnerabilities, and could even develop malware designed to be installed with minimal physical access to the voting equipment by unskilled accomplices to manipulate the vote counts. Attacks could also be launched by compromising the vendors responsible for programming systems before elections, enabling large-scale distribution of malware.”
“In December 2022 and again in 2023, many of us, concerned by the security risks posed by these breaches, wrote to the Attorney General, FBI Director, and Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director outlining the security concerns and urging an investigation. Though there have been limited, localized investigations, there is no evidence of a federal investigation to determine what was done with the misappropriated voting software.”
The letter is signed by Professor Duncan Buell, Ph.D., Chair Emeritus — NCR Chair in Computer Science and Engineering, Dept. of Computer Science and Engineering, University of South Carolina*; David Jefferson Ph.D., Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory* (retired), Election Integrity Foundation*; Susan Greenhalgh, Senior Advisor for Election Security, Free Speech For People; Chris Klaus, Chief Executive Officer, Fusen World*; William John Malik, Malik Consulting, LLC*; Marilyn R. Marks, Executive Director, Coalition for Good Governance; Peter G. Neumann Ph.D., Chief Scientist, SRI International Computer Science Lab*; and Professor John E. Savage, Ph.D, An Wang Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, Brown University*.
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Of all the data points, that was the one that pushed me into it possibly being faked.
Pacifist Patriot
Feb 2025
#69
celebrity apprentice penn gillette does a similar stunt as part of his vegas act
rampartd
Feb 2025
#168
I don't think he would be brave enough to let the bullet get close
questionseverything
Feb 2025
#160
We know there was massive disenfranchisement. As to any manipulation, well, I don't know, but...
hlthe2b
Feb 2025
#4
I was involved in the Green party recount in 2004. I do not trust the card reading programs used.
mackdaddy
Feb 2025
#30
Elon and his "vote-counting computers," the ones he "knows better than anyone else," and "ended up winning
sop
Feb 2025
#5
And why did Shitler say he didn't need anyone to vote because he and Eloon have a secret.
OMGWTF
Feb 2025
#161
Am not critical if anyone thinks it could've been stolen. It was so close. Looked it up today to
allegorical oracle
Feb 2025
#75
The difference isnt even that much; just the difference in a few swing states.
Callie1979
Feb 2025
#107
Hope party leaders aren't making plans for mid-terms and 2028 based upon "2024 was stolen."
Silent Type
Feb 2025
#9
Once again, can you provide just one example of a purged voter showing up at polls and not being able to vote?
Silent Type
Feb 2025
#37
So, no examples. Just belief in Palast about purged voters who vast majority of time had moved out of the district.
Silent Type
Feb 2025
#61
Just give me one example of a voter who was purged showing up a polls and being declined.
Silent Type
Feb 2025
#162
So where are THOSE stories? The hard fact is no polls ever showed Harris winning
Callie1979
Feb 2025
#188
The only way ordinary citizens can oversee their elections is to hand count paper ballots in full public view
questionseverything
Feb 2025
#203
All states have laws regarding recounts. Are you saying we dont need to follow those laws?
Callie1979
Feb 2025
#207
Are we going to use Greg Palast's BS as an excuse everytime we lose for next few decades? That's sure to work.
Silent Type
Feb 2025
#39
Not saying yes, or no. BUT i gotta wonder why Marc Elias stands firm on it was not.(anyone know his reasoning?)
bluestarone
Feb 2025
#13
His reasoning is pretty simple, he doesn't get fooled by completely unsubstantiated Trump-style conspiracy theories.
tritsofme
Feb 2025
#74
I would hazard a guess that Elias thinks this because it hasn't been proven in a court of law.
chowder66
Feb 2025
#190
Never. Too many things have happened in this country that most people swore did not happen.
OldBaldy1701E
Feb 2025
#20
I don't cotton to a discussion board telling me I am not "allowed" to believe something
LizBeth
Feb 2025
#24
I am agreeing with you. I thought it stolen also and we are told we are not suppose to believe
LizBeth
Feb 2025
#93
AMEN! AND exactly! Leave us not forget the bomb threats that were ONLY in democratic strongholds in SWING STATES,
The_REAL_Ecumenist
Feb 2025
#28
I almost wonder if that post was intended as satire? Because "bullet ballots" was perhaps the silliest of the nonsense
tritsofme
Feb 2025
#143
The difference is the incumbent Trump knew 100% he had the 2020 election in the bag
Bengus81
Feb 2025
#98
You are correct. Trump is an ass and would not be in charge of any vote tampering.
hadEnuf
Feb 2025
#175
Global fortunes, corporations, and oligarchs aren't likely to just trust one country's quaint election system without
wiggs
Feb 2025
#47
I live in a town in South Jersey and never waited more than 30 minutes to vote. 2024 the line was 4 hours in some areas.
Pepsidog
Feb 2025
#54
Thinking about the future, not wallowing in ridiculous Trump-style election denial conspiracy theories.
tritsofme
Feb 2025
#77
There may be no future, given the control Trump now has over the Federal government.
pnwmom
Feb 2025
#118
I really think no one will ever know what was happening in the states that had the mysterious bomb threats
pnwmom
Feb 2025
#153
People believing things that aren't true is how we got here in the first place.
alarimer
Feb 2025
#179
gab13by13 is right on here. It's OK to say the election was stolen because it was.
flashman13
Feb 2025
#108
Elon Musk used a team of Starlink equipped AI powered Cybertrucks to manipulate the results
Bonx
Feb 2025
#117
I agree and I think we should be screaming it from the rooftops. They have started to use words
c-rational
Feb 2025
#137
"Every Republican since Nixon was elected by cheating. All of them. This time was no different.
red dog 1
Feb 2025
#156
Reagan cheated in 1980 by subterfuge and treasonous acts by his campaign team.
red dog 1
Feb 2025
#206
Yes, I am aware of 1980. I was referring to Reagans's landslide victory in 1984.
totodeinhere
Feb 2025
#209
You're right, he didn't have to cheat in 1984, only because the Democratic Party was a divided party that year.
red dog 1
Feb 2025
#210
In 1984, former Vice President Walter Mondale was challenged in the primaries by Senator Gary Hart
red dog 1
Feb 2025
#208
However, I do believe that one of LBJ's senate primaries "could" have been stolen. Not many checks and balances
LeftInTX
Feb 2025
#174