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Mon Feb 17, 2025, 10:19 PM Feb 2025

Don't freak if Chutkan doesn't grant a temporary restraining order on Musk [View all]

...to get to a TRO which immediately restrains Musk from further actions, Judge Chutkan would need to find that harm from his actions is imminent and irreversible.

With another more consequential 'preliminary' hearing scheduled in about 14 days - in which it's very likely she'll have enough evidence in front of her to rule against the administration - the plaintiffs (state Ags) will have the opportunity to go back and collect the evidence she signaled in her responses in court would show specific harm.

She'll also be making judgments, presumably, about Musk's official classification in the Trump regime, like whether his unofficial role has the authority normally only given to officials who have been through some sort of confirmation process in Congress.

To the point, there's much more judgment coming for Musk after the TRO ruling, no matter how it goes.


Michael Popok reports on the Judge finding the Trump DOJ’s comments that they “don’t know if people have been fired” and that “Musk doesn’t have actual or formal authority” to do so, lacking credibility during a rare Holiday hearing.

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...for right now the issue the sort of
the academic issue is whether there is
irreparable harm if she stops, if she
doesn't stop it now... she's going to hold
a preliminary injunction hearing which
is the next level up of from a trro
which is what the the hearing on Monday
was about.

In the next 14 days the question
is for her does she have to stop
Elon Musk from doing stuff right
now, or can we just get to the
preliminary injunction hearing?

Not every preliminary injunction which will last
until the end of the case is preceded by
a temporary restraining order. Many are,
now I would say in 80% of my cases where
I've gotten a tro, where I've sought a
preliminary injunction, I've gotten a
tro in advance a temporary restraining
order. But not every case, and the judge
is basically saying, not that I don't
believe that I'm going to give you the
injunction, the question is whether I'm
going to give you a preliminary
injunction in two weeks or I'm going to
give you an early injunction we call a
temporary restraining order.

So the things that were held up, that's
holding up the process now, is this academic
discussion and debate between the judge
and the lawyers about irreparable harm
sort of Falls by the wayside in about
two weeks.

She can still find irreparable harm
moving forward on a full
briefing on a full record... is not finding
it now, and it doesn't mean because she
didn't grant the tro that she's also
unlikely to grant the preliminary
injunction.

In fact quite the opposite I
think she's going to grant the
preliminary injunction in two weeks.
She's just going to let them do whatever
they're going to do in the meantime
which also strengthens the hand of the
14 or so attorney generals because
they'll be able to document the damage
over the next 14 days. And I think that's
what she's trying to do if I were a
betting man or guessing I think Judge
Chutkan is trying to help the movements
here the Attorneys General by giving
them the ability to develop a better
record by watching closely what happens
the next 14 days and bringing that
evidence to her attention.

watch:




(not a lawyer, so I may be a little squidgy on the details )
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I read an article today. She likely won't grant it. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #1
they're talking about the temporary restraining order bigtree Feb 2025 #6
I suspect there's reasons for not issuing a TRO that I as a layperson am unaware of... Hugin Feb 2025 #7
putting my trust and possibly future in cilla4progress Feb 2025 #2
Unfortunately, think he has authority. Even if judge rules he doesn't, trump will order data "under his name. Silent Type Feb 2025 #3
he still hasn't shown a dime of fraud bigtree Feb 2025 #8
He's talked BS, but I guarantee he'll report crud like $600 toilet seats, aid to some poor African Silent Type Feb 2025 #10
ALL of those are in the purview of Congress bigtree Feb 2025 #13
So trump/Musk says, you [Congress] appropriated money for HIV help, but most went to local strongmen. Silent Type Feb 2025 #15
we can have that fight bigtree Feb 2025 #17
Yeah, if he cuts SS or Medicare. He doesn't have that political power. He probably does have power Silent Type Feb 2025 #18
well, cuts will have to go through appropriations, won't they? bigtree Feb 2025 #19
You'd think someone recently leaking confidential NSA data would qualify as imminent. TheBlackAdder Feb 2025 #4
Yeah, I know.... LeftInTX Feb 2025 #9
I trust judge Chutkan gab13by13 Feb 2025 #5
I don't trust anybody any more NT Ex Lurker Feb 2025 #12
Whatever happens, she will order Musk be jailed for contempt before it is over. MichMan Feb 2025 #11
he is an arrogant fuck bigtree Feb 2025 #14
TY! Bc I just heard in passing (radio) that she Hadn't, and I got a little freaked....then got ditracted by other stuff. electric_blue68 Feb 2025 #16
Preemptive excuse making. BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #20
No trust left in the US justice system. Justice matters. Feb 2025 #21
Kick! liberalla Feb 2025 #22
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