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Sun Mar 23, 2025, 11:47 PM

Mar 23

Of course it will.
If no vote erasure or vote flips, the hand count would match the ballot reader.

Before ballot readers like ES&S & Diebold, all ballots were counted by hand.
The precinct workers would count the ballots until about 1 - 2 am and post the precinct results, so voters could see how the precinct voted. Then they would send the ballots to the Registrar office. No counting was done at the Registrar's office, they just went by the precinct numbers and the election was determined way before 6am.

If they do that now, when they run the ballots through the readers, and they find a numbers discrepancy, handcount would happen a second time and ballot read a second time If the discrepancy still remains the handcount would have precedence.

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Let's say you think this past election was rigged. [View all] ancianita Mar 23 OP

Get thee to the greatest page malaise Mar 23 #1

Hell Yes! Mr. Evil Mar 23 #29

I have been saying the election is being rigged since the 2000 election. I spent 30 years working in IT. Retired now... usaf-vet Mar 24 #141

Thanx so much! Mr. Evil Mar 24 #142

I'm right there with you, malaise! That very night of the election I KNEW. Even though he had already told his BComplex Mar 25 #151

This is pretty ... horrifying, yet awesome information. I am afraid for you to ask too, but Scrivener7 Mar 23 #2

Agree. It's beyond horrifying. It's a Musk/Thiel insurgency network. ancianita Mar 23 #4

Seriously, I felt a little nauseous reading that. But let us know if you ask guy those questions. Scrivener7 Mar 23 #8

And yet we have to keep our heads. My hope & prayer is that white hat/red teams are working on this. ancianita Mar 23 #11

Good comment, what are brakester Mar 24 #115

Google AI says it more succinctly than I... ancianita Mar 24 #117

Anianita, sorry, I'm still confused. brakester Mar 24 #120

The core definition of red teams is that they're "ethical hackers" -- like white hats -- who look for what harms ancianita Mar 24 #134

It doesn't seem like we can do anything BonnieJW Mar 23 #23

It doesn't. But we're not part of the IT world, are we. You never know what fired CISA ancianita Mar 23 #25

Thiel bdamomma Mar 23 #43

Neither Thiel nor Musk care about American children's futures, nor do they have to care about the economy ancianita Mar 23 #45

The fix bdamomma Mar 23 #49

We don't know. But the circumstantial evidence presented seems too compelling not to. ancianita Mar 23 #50

Any company or technology that Musk has a hand in cannot be a part of the election process Blue Owl Mar 23 #3

But it was. Think. Again. Mar 23 #37

Interesting. H2O Man Mar 23 #5

Yup, the fix was in. Clouds Passing Mar 23 #6

I have felt the same. DENVERPOPS Mar 23 #14

Actually back to tricky dick nixon Clouds Passing Mar 23 #16

Tricky Dick DENVERPOPS Mar 23 #17

HW was pissed that Carter let him go. The fix was in, dirty bushes. Clouds Passing Mar 23 #20

Could you expand your comment? brakester Mar 24 #118

Carter shut down bush programs and accepted bush's resignation. Clouds Passing Mar 24 #148

Very interesting! brakester Mar 25 #165

I don't think DENVERPOPS Mar 24 #139

The treason continues..... Clouds Passing Mar 24 #149

also disenfranchised voters Be Leave On Mar 24 #111

This whole story is brakester Mar 24 #125

Agree Brakester DENVERPOPS Mar 24 #140

Thanks for the insight brakester Mar 25 #163

there is a ton of stuff DENVERPOPS Mar 25 #164

K&R 2naSalit Mar 23 #7

kick for people a whole lot smarter than I proud patriot Mar 23 #9

It's scary and creepy but at the same time there is a certain relief in that it confirms more than anything else Amaryllis Mar 23 #10

When you say "I've read so far what so many of us were convinced of; that nearly half of the US did not vote for Trump." ancianita Mar 23 #12

ancianita Is a very cautious poster malaise Mar 23 #13

Yes bdamomma Mar 23 #46

Yup. Is this why Trump twisted the arm of law firm Paul Weiss? Joinfortmill Mar 23 #15

Thank you for posting on this issue so I could run it by my IT expert in NM. ancianita Mar 23 #18

This the same IT guy you got the original commentary from? Lancero Mar 23 #69

Do not know. As far as I know he's not on either Twitter or reddit, and I've known him for ancianita Mar 24 #72

Read the topic I linked, it has the screenshots that your supposed IT guys commentary was taken from. Lancero Mar 24 #74

I saw it. See my other post. Yeah, the irony. Guess you're proving them wrong, huh. ancianita Mar 24 #77

Please explain Paul Weiss? I just haven't thought to make the connection. It's important that people know these things. ancianita Mar 23 #19

I just looked Paul Weiss up (cuz I hadn't kept up with that news) and you're likely right. Here's why the felon ancianita Mar 23 #21

When I first read that Paul, Weiss brakester Mar 24 #124

Agree. Tech law firms are outgunned in terms of wealth; an ongoing fight is a war of attrition for their attackers ancianita Mar 24 #135

There is certainly enough Circumstantial Evidence... BurnDoubt Mar 23 #22

There is. And a feared tech law firm could have teams of investigators on this from the wired money ancianita Mar 23 #24

I've had concerns moondust Mar 23 #26

Well, ancianita Mar 23 #30

You betcha! brakester Mar 24 #128

K&R bookmarking FakeNoose Mar 23 #27

The democratic party should have insisted and paid for at least one recount. Liberal In Texas Mar 23 #28

They should've. Just for a baseline effort. But. We can't blame the leaders now. Biden probably knew ancianita Mar 23 #35

And, brakester Mar 24 #129

Dan Goldman talked about investigating the election. yellow dahlia Mar 23 #31

Right! I heard him. He comes from billionaire money, too. He and Prizker and others could ancianita Mar 23 #33

Goldman is top notch. brakester Mar 24 #132

Richest Man in the world with tech capabilities to erase any value on votes/Democracy. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 23 #32

He is. But it's a 50 state election system in a bigass country. So we know he couldn't do it all alone. ancianita Mar 23 #34

It takes an Organized Crime Party to make a 1 Party State. Just ask Vlad. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 23 #36

And that's exactly what we're looking at with this IT guy's threads of circumstantial evidence. ancianita Mar 23 #38

Let's hope ALL of this info becomes more commonly understood.... Think. Again. Mar 23 #39

I would donate money for a hand recount in Clark county ... aggiesal Mar 23 #40

Ok, but do you see what this is really about? But it's about digital erasure of votes, so a hand recount ancianita Mar 23 #41

If they are erasing votes, a precinct by precinct hand count questionseverything Mar 23 #59

Depends on who at precinct levels does the counts. ancianita Mar 23 #61

Yes that's assuming an honest count questionseverything Mar 24 #93

WOW 😳 ! ... aggiesal Mar 23 #66

What's the time lag between the vote count and finding numbers discrepancies? ancianita Mar 23 #70

Not from a handcount!!! ... aggiesal Mar 24 #76

Okay, I'll take your word for it. I hope you're right. And we deserve a hand counted election ancianita Mar 24 #79

Absolutely!! bluestarone Mar 24 #126

It's been proven conclusively that hand counting ballots is less accurate than machine counts. Wiz Imp Mar 24 #82

Hand counting the top two races would be a huge improvement questionseverything Mar 24 #90

There are multiple techniques to counting ballots, ... aggiesal Mar 24 #95

open source free software Be Leave On Mar 24 #112

Following This Thread Baron2024 Mar 23 #42

whaddaya mean? azureblue Mar 23 #44

That's one piece of evidence. Not enough, though. The rest to get is how they did it. And shut that down ancianita Mar 23 #47

Indeed. He's let the actual truth slip out at least twice BoRaGard Mar 24 #99

Nah, not like that. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 23 #48

Thanks for your thoughts. Some are highly arguable, but I'm not defending this, just laying out ancianita Mar 23 #52

Definitely throw their own election-denying words back at them. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 23 #57

OF COURSE it's a question of electoral method. That's the point of the OP. It's not about ancianita Mar 23 #64

The past is literally the only source of lessons to learn from, by definition. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 24 #86

I hear you. But I'm not sure how the past shows us how to overcome a Big Tech insurgency. ancianita Mar 24 #87

I agree. Past history brakester Mar 24 #133

Kick SheltieLover Mar 23 #51

Recounts of any April 1 House races. We need a realtime system where the person who just voted verifies electronically. NowsTheTime Mar 23 #53

That's part of the problem. The vote tabulation systems. And Eaton Corp. And TrippLite. ancianita Mar 23 #55

I'm not talking about voter being verified they voted, but voter verifying on who they voted for as a real time tally. . NowsTheTime Mar 23 #56

Sure, that can be done. But it's after that, that we need to be concerned about. ancianita Mar 23 #60

That would do nothing to assure people who are convinced there is cheating happening. Wiz Imp Mar 24 #80

Thanks. That was exactly my point. ancianita Mar 24 #92

My suggestion only addresses votes cast at precincts let's say. So Instead of the computer recordiing the vote count.... NowsTheTime Mar 24 #100

K&R, with BIG Bookmark Bayard Mar 23 #54

... ancianita Mar 23 #58

I don't see AncientOfDays Mar 23 #62

Me, neither, unless that's just what they publicly market, and not lesser known equipment. ancianita Mar 23 #67

Before a conspiracy becomes that Meowmee Mar 23 #63

Tripp Lite isn't an "election security company" unless, of course, you consider the manufacture of surge protectors... Lancero Mar 23 #65

Nathan Taylor (from the original video in the post) has been making the rounds Wiz Imp Mar 24 #84

"Saw this on DU and sent it to an IT guy" my foot, here's the Reddit topic w/ Twitter screenshots you took this from. Lancero Mar 23 #68

Thanks. I'll check with him about it. ancianita Mar 24 #75

The thread to be pulled is based on Tripp Lite being an election security company. Lancero Mar 24 #88

Yeah, maybe, but I think the Eaton Corp, Direct-to-Cell and Palantir are more important. ancianita Mar 24 #89

Yeah, a lot of people aren't willing to give AI manufactured content the light of day. Lancero Mar 24 #91

I hear you about TrippLite. It's the crazy billionaire guy who owned it. Now I get it. ancianita Mar 24 #94

Ah yes, the quietly built Direct-to-Cell network... So quietly built, that tech media was reporting on it in '22. Lancero Mar 24 #97

The "public event" was an ANNOUNCEMENT, not a done deal. No one should be ancianita Mar 24 #105

You can't reasonably claim that something was "quietly built" when the company behind it publically announced... Lancero Mar 24 #143

How could we know for sure Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 24 #119

"How could we know for sure that DU isn't in on it?" Lancero Mar 24 #144

Duh Sober Retiree Mar 24 #71

Kick. dchill Mar 24 #73

We let a known cheater and insurrectionist run again ecstatic Mar 24 #78

This is why Trump said he won in 2020 Tree Lady Mar 24 #81

The 2000 election was stolen by W GoreWon2000 Mar 24 #83

The data on vote suppression is pretty clear in past elections. pat_k Mar 24 #85

I wonder if WA and NM machines are in that loop. Because both of those states use all paper ballots, pnwmom Mar 24 #96

The same thing was posted on Twitter a couple of months ago: sl8 Mar 24 #98

I don't know because I'm not on twitter, and as far as I know, neither is the IT guy. Doesn't mean ancianita Mar 24 #106

Many thanks for that! n/m brakester Mar 24 #136

We are 1.5 yrs out from 2026. returnee Mar 24 #101

there is only speculation here about things people don't have much understanding neohippie Mar 24 #102

That will explain why they were acting like humans who were raised by animals Dem4life1234 Mar 24 #103

DU really needs to bring back the Creative Speculation forum with this stuff Sympthsical Mar 24 #104

Sorry. I thought after sitting on the text for a week & checking the names & timeline out, that ancianita Mar 24 #108

I hope you are not apologizing! brakester Mar 24 #138

I FOUND ALL THE MISSING VOTES! TomWilm Mar 24 #107

It's a grand conspiracy! Starlink used their satelites to hack their cars tires (Thiel owns Firestone stock!)... Lancero Mar 24 #145

Salvation comes in the form of paper ballots. nt Trueblue Texan Mar 24 #109

Will he try to mess with Canada's election in the next month? kimbutgar Mar 24 #110

Good question! Better to ask what Canadian leadership thinks. We don't trust the felon, but ancianita Mar 24 #114

The above theory is interesting, but if it is true, Fil1957 Mar 24 #113

Yes, that's the starting point of the OP. But ancianita Mar 24 #116

I don't have the expertise to evaluate all of this. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 24 #121

First hearing for hand count of 2024 just granted! NJCher Mar 24 #122

Okay... I read the link and am confused. Are you granted a hearing? or granted a recount? ancianita Mar 24 #137

Remember when Trump said that he didn't need the votes? colorado_ufo Mar 24 #123

There are millions of ways to confuse people. 1WorldHope Mar 24 #127

So true. If people allow it. ancianita Mar 25 #152

You are incredibly kind and a wise person. 1WorldHope Mar 25 #154

They're rigging elections out in the open, in plain view. Jeebo Mar 24 #130

Why so close Bluestocking Mar 24 #131

The polls were rigged too. lees1975 Mar 24 #146

Strange that Harris stays so quiet about such an obvious and massive conspiracy, involving so many parties! tritsofme Mar 25 #160

Kick Hekate Mar 24 #147

Looking at this problem from different angles... ultralite001 Mar 24 #150

I don't know enough about how any of this stuff works malaise Mar 25 #153

Wow, that's a new one. Never on God's green earth heard of that "perhaps... treated paper ballots" idea. ancianita Mar 25 #157

Thx for reading... ultralite001 Mar 25 #158

What triggered the thought... ultralite001 Mar 25 #159

So... what machines retain scanned ballot images rather than actual ballots? What are the machines called? ancianita Mar 25 #161

Scattered collection of instances... ultralite001 Mar 25 #162

2024 Election questions HopeAlive Mar 25 #155

Hi, Mindy! Welcome to DU. ancianita Mar 25 #156