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MichMan

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73. Your opinion might be different if it was your job being outsourced to China, Mexico, India or Vietnam.

Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:23 PM

Apr 2

As long as it is someone else's problem, people are pretty cavalier about it.

Living in Michigan for 60 plus years, and working in the auto industry, I have seen dozens and dozens of manufacturing plants shuttered and abandoned after production was moved to Mexico because wages were cheaper and environmental rules were lax. Decimated smaller towns all over the Midwest that never really recovered. Those factory jobs paid decent wages, and generation after generation worked at them and paid taxes that supported their local communities.

On one hand, we advocate for workers getting higher wages and support those who are striking for them, yet are OK when jobs are moved to low wage countries as long as it makes products cheaper. I just don't get it.

Fifteen years ago............

Whirlpool: Keep It Made in America

The Whirlpool Corp. plans to start closing its refrigerator plant in Evansville, Ind., on March 26. The refrigerators now manufactured at this plant will be produced in Mexico, eliminating 1,100 local jobs. Meanwhile, Whirlpool--the world's largest home appliance maker--enjoys healthy profits and has received a $19 million economic matching grant that should be creating jobs here in America.

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There are no midsize cars made by the big threee domestic automakers. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 OP

Are any of the big 3s cars actually entirely made in the USA? I would be surprised if Scrivener7 Apr 2 #1

Can't tell MichMan Apr 2 #4

There was a Stellantis dealer who said the average monthly payment on a new car will be $175.00 DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #7

$175?? mwmisses4289 Apr 2 #13

I meant an additional $175.00. Mea culpa. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #20

Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying. mwmisses4289 Apr 2 #23

Nope, unless you have 775+ score, $5k down, and it's under $20k. haele Apr 2 #14

You are missing a 1 The Madcap Apr 2 #57

Mea culpa . I expained below. An additional $175.00 DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #58

I know The Madcap Apr 2 #60

The Correct Answer Is No ProfessorGAC Apr 2 #41

No Polybius Apr 2 #68

Cadillac sells one DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2 #2

Would you say Cadillac is a luxury car? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #6

Given that the average price of a new car is $48,641 I would say that model is not. MichMan Apr 2 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #9

Cadillac is a luxury brand. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #17

Sure, but its still a midsized car DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2 #11

It's not the average price of a midsize car. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #18

It's a luxury mid-size sedan EdmondDantes_ Apr 2 #12

This is disingenuous DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #19

How? ; a midsize car refers to the size, not the price. MichMan Apr 2 #21

Because it's disingenuous to insist Cadillac isn't a luxury brand. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #25

Did you just call the MX-5 a mid-sized sedan? flvegan Apr 2 #28

Mea Culpa. I meant the Mazda 3, "Really..." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #29

Ah, makes sense. Good car the 3, though I prefer the hatchback. flvegan Apr 2 #34

I was getting confused looking up the prices of several cars. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #37

2025 is officially the last year. flvegan Apr 2 #62

The CT4 is a compact, not a midsize car DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 3 #83

Why, do you own one? MichMan Apr 2 #35

It's a mid sized luxury car with an attendant price DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #42

49k gets you the most base CT5, which is a pretty lackluster car for the money according to reviews Mountainguy Apr 3 #77

Ironically, that has sold 4 times as many in China as in the USA muriel_volestrangler Apr 3 #87

Used car prices will surge. roamer65 Apr 2 #3

This Is Why We Drive A Mercedes Benz GLE 350 - Incredible Performance - Top Notch Safety - MayReasonRule Apr 2 #5

If the prices of new parts goes way up, their LRG will only refund in store credits what you paid for them previously MichMan Apr 2 #10

Time Will Tell... Unless They Change Their Policy... Price Changes Have Been Irrelevant. I Pay For Return Shipping. MayReasonRule Apr 2 #24

It does make a difference when they changed the policy a year ago MichMan Apr 2 #39

Right On... I Appreciate The Heads Up Y'all... It's Time For Me To Do Returns And Do Maintenance MayReasonRule Apr 2 #51

People can't believe it when I tell them I pour the used oil back into the bottles and return it MichMan Apr 2 #53

I Know Right! They Look At Me Like "What The Fuck You Talkin' 'Bout Willis?!!" MayReasonRule Apr 2 #55

You mean midsize *sedans*, right? keep_left Apr 2 #15

Truth or not? ILikePie92 Apr 2 #16

AI says no. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #27

So Does Motortrend ProfessorGAC Apr 2 #43

AI says the parts are 65-70% US made DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #44

I Saw That Too ProfessorGAC Apr 2 #45

AI? ILikePie92 Apr 2 #64

I bought my current car a few years ago dsc Apr 2 #22

In any case the Malibu and Chrysler 300 have been discontinued. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #26

It was closer but still noticeably more pricey and frankly not as good a car dsc Apr 2 #30

Thats what I thought. At times it hard to buy American. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #32

It is and that is a shame dsc Apr 2 #36

Focus is a bit small and I believe it has been discontinued too. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #40

yep dsc Apr 2 #46

K-5s are nice. The dealer loaned me one when my Optima was in the shop. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #47

It is a nice car dsc Apr 2 #48

And the 10 year 100,000 mile drive train warranty is nice. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #49

yep it is dsc Apr 2 #52

Enjoy your car. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #54

I am doing that thanks dsc Apr 2 #56

My 2017 Subaru Legacy is awesome JanMichael Apr 2 #31

We have a gmc 2002, 325,000 and going strong questionseverything Apr 2 #33

I think it will go up to 200k pretty easy maybe more JanMichael Apr 2 #38

Corporate average fuel economy Jose Garcia Apr 2 #50

My new-to-me midsize Prius gets an average of slightly above 50 mpg. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 3 #75

Priuses are built in Japan Jose Garcia Apr 3 #80

Your point? Ms. Toad Apr 3 #84

This might spell the end The Madcap Apr 2 #59

I'm driving a 2017 Honda Fit I bought second hand in 2018. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2 #61

Bonus perk for manuals shanti Apr 3 #85

Hell, I don't even bother to lock it most of the time. PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 3 #86

The most "American Made" mid-size sedan in the USA is the Toyota Camry. WarGamer Apr 2 #63

Not necessarily. US and Canada content is combined together per NHTSA labeling standards MichMan Apr 2 #65

Allow BYD in without tariffs, radius777 Apr 2 #66

US auto workers are just going to have to work for Chinese wages if they want to compete, right? MichMan Apr 2 #67

I'm fan of free trade, NAFTA was great IMO. radius777 Apr 2 #69

Your opinion might be different if it was your job being outsourced to China, Mexico, India or Vietnam. MichMan Apr 2 #73

They will be replaced by F*elon's robots sooner or later. Justice matters. Apr 2 #71

Who are the big three these days? Polybius Apr 2 #70

Ford, GM, and Stellantis DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2 #72

Stellantis is no longer domestic MichMan Apr 2 #74

I work for them Jack Bone Apr 3 #76

I can see why given the Charger EV MichMan Apr 3 #81

Ford disagrees ... marble falls Apr 3 #78

If you consider cars made in China for sale in the Middle East as domestic, sure MichMan Apr 3 #82

Wow NJCher Apr 3 #79