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Igel

(37,251 posts)
53. The definitions are strange.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 03:32 PM
Apr 2025

And important. Some posts obscure the difference and that's an important error.

Do you mean Mt. Lassen National Park, which is a part of Mt. Lassen National Forest but not included in the order because it's under the control of the National Parks? Does it include the many acres of BLM land that's on the NF's northern border? Any FWS land in the area?

Federal forest land in the country falls into four categories: BLM land (which has always been open to logging, provided all the regs are followed--meaning that some areas are de facto closed), national parks (which are open for all sorts of things and even have been for some logging), and national parks (in which logging is at most thinning), and FWS land (which, as far as I'm aware, is off limits and heavily regulated).

I like national forests, but they lack any kind of service and if you need help you'd better hope somebody else is hiking or fishing nearby. National parks have rangers and such that are fairly common and patrol the place; they have curators and interpretive trails, amenities, and typically include the most scenic areas, assuming that by "scenic" you don't just mean trees. But driving through some national parks, it's mile after mile of woods for 10, 15, 20 miles, and if you break down a ranger may pass through sometime that day on the way to work (or going home). When I parents and brother visited me in Oregon they said they'd never seen so many trees--Coos Bay to Yachats to Sisters, Salem to the Rogue River.

Often it's hard to tell where a national forest and BLM land change hands. Going hiking and fishing up in the Cascades and the western slopes you'd hike and only suspect you exited one if you ran into logging, and only know for sure if you were following a road that and the boundary was posted. (Oregon's over 52% federally owned and in more than a few places city and town limits are right up againt the border so if you want to build a house you need to tear something else down. That's true in a bunch of LA, too.)

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It's retaliation. Baitball Blogger Apr 2025 #1
"They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum............ Ping Tung Apr 2025 #12
They refused to rake the forest floors Diraven Apr 2025 #52
I wonder how much of a kickback tsf gets. johnnyfins Apr 2025 #2
He thinks if they're not raked to prevent forest fires, then they should just be cut down. Another problem solved surfered Apr 2025 #3
Leave no sequoia behind. no_hypocrisy Apr 2025 #4
That sucks 😔👎 Tickle Apr 2025 #5
That is unlikely to have any significant effect. Wiz Imp Apr 2025 #43
This makes me nauseous and pissed off beyond words Bayard Apr 2025 #6
I am so sick of hearing "burdensome regulations". louis-t Apr 2025 #7
What do you expect? This is the guy... keep_left Apr 2025 #8
Holy hell...haha D_Master81 Apr 2025 #13
He only spends time outdoors BonnieJW Apr 2025 #27
Remember when conservatives thought Obama Dr. T Apr 2025 #45
Mt. Lassen National Forest is in my sister's eyesight. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2025 #9
The definitions are strange. Igel Apr 2025 #53
I suspect the fool thinks our national forests are filled with trees down in southern CA travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #10
I do notice that people have no real idea about California Unwind Your Mind Apr 2025 #11
I'm trying to plan a family vacation out there D_Master81 Apr 2025 #14
Thank you for visiting! Unwind Your Mind Apr 2025 #19
Do it! You will not regret it. CareyOn Apr 2025 #50
They have no shame. mdbl Apr 2025 #24
National Forests OrangeJoe Apr 2025 #31
Retaliation Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #15
I guess we'll just have to grow the trees back MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #16
Right. The world's tallest trees can be replaced by pine mono-forests just like that Hekate Apr 2025 #20
Man. What happened to these guys? MadameButterfly Apr 2025 #54
Right. The sequoia's that trump/buddies are lusting for are more than 1,000 years old. erronis Apr 2025 #21
it's truly sickening! LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #36
Perhaps it's time to not allow them to cut. Magoo48 Apr 2025 #35
Very Saruman of them ybbor Apr 2025 #17
MAGA forest management will leave us looking like Mordor LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #37
The goal of destroying what has taken thousands of years to grow and houses CareyOn Apr 2025 #18
Yes Hekate Apr 2025 #23
Few things more evil than this sort of destruction LymphocyteLover Apr 2025 #38
When all the magats are gasping for oxygen mdbl Apr 2025 #22
Can they sue to stop him? WTF is an emergency about cutting down trees?? 58Sunliner Apr 2025 #25
President mudslides Johonny Apr 2025 #26
OH MY GOD!!! bluboid Apr 2025 #28
Something tells me there will be massive protests of people saying kimbutgar Apr 2025 #29
Fuck that fucking FUCK. RandomNumbers Apr 2025 #30
No problem. Someone will sue & the feds might eventually Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2025 #32
What a dick. Owning the Libs. FU Evolve Dammit Apr 2025 #33
What emergency? pfitz59 Apr 2025 #34
Emergency he created since we buy Tree Lady Apr 2025 #56
There's a song called The Trees Dr. T Apr 2025 #39
May the Traildogbob Apr 2025 #40
We need superheros. Fear not. Magoo48 Apr 2025 #41
CALL 911! ROBBERY IN PROGRESS! dchill Apr 2025 #42
Secede Cali, now. Clouds Passing Apr 2025 #44
Governor Newsum? Magoo48 Apr 2025 #49
Trump... GiqueCee Apr 2025 #46
Even California GQP will not allow this................ Lovie777 Apr 2025 #47
I doubt he can do any such thing. valleyrogue Apr 2025 #48
Look at the ecosystems on islands that got deforested. GreenWave Apr 2025 #51
This makes me sick Tree Lady Apr 2025 #55
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