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Igel

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53. The definitions are strange.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 04:32 PM
Apr 13

And important. Some posts obscure the difference and that's an important error.

Do you mean Mt. Lassen National Park, which is a part of Mt. Lassen National Forest but not included in the order because it's under the control of the National Parks? Does it include the many acres of BLM land that's on the NF's northern border? Any FWS land in the area?

Federal forest land in the country falls into four categories: BLM land (which has always been open to logging, provided all the regs are followed--meaning that some areas are de facto closed), national parks (which are open for all sorts of things and even have been for some logging), and national parks (in which logging is at most thinning), and FWS land (which, as far as I'm aware, is off limits and heavily regulated).

I like national forests, but they lack any kind of service and if you need help you'd better hope somebody else is hiking or fishing nearby. National parks have rangers and such that are fairly common and patrol the place; they have curators and interpretive trails, amenities, and typically include the most scenic areas, assuming that by "scenic" you don't just mean trees. But driving through some national parks, it's mile after mile of woods for 10, 15, 20 miles, and if you break down a ranger may pass through sometime that day on the way to work (or going home). When I parents and brother visited me in Oregon they said they'd never seen so many trees--Coos Bay to Yachats to Sisters, Salem to the Rogue River.

Often it's hard to tell where a national forest and BLM land change hands. Going hiking and fishing up in the Cascades and the western slopes you'd hike and only suspect you exited one if you ran into logging, and only know for sure if you were following a road that and the boundary was posted. (Oregon's over 52% federally owned and in more than a few places city and town limits are right up againt the border so if you want to build a house you need to tear something else down. That's true in a bunch of LA, too.)

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It's retaliation. Baitball Blogger Apr 13 #1
"They took all the trees and put 'em in a tree museum............ Ping Tung Apr 13 #12
They refused to rake the forest floors Diraven Apr 13 #52
I wonder how much of a kickback tsf gets. johnnyfins Apr 13 #2
He thinks if they're not raked to prevent forest fires, then they should just be cut down. Another problem solved surfered Apr 13 #3
Leave no sequoia behind. no_hypocrisy Apr 13 #4
That sucks 😔👎 Tickle Apr 13 #5
That is unlikely to have any significant effect. Wiz Imp Apr 13 #43
This makes me nauseous and pissed off beyond words Bayard Apr 13 #6
I am so sick of hearing "burdensome regulations". louis-t Apr 13 #7
What do you expect? This is the guy... keep_left Apr 13 #8
Holy hell...haha D_Master81 Apr 13 #13
He only spends time outdoors BonnieJW Apr 13 #27
Remember when conservatives thought Obama Dr. T Apr 13 #45
Mt. Lassen National Forest is in my sister's eyesight. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 13 #9
The definitions are strange. Igel Apr 13 #53
I suspect the fool thinks our national forests are filled with trees down in southern CA travelingthrulife Apr 13 #10
I do notice that people have no real idea about California Unwind Your Mind Apr 13 #11
I'm trying to plan a family vacation out there D_Master81 Apr 13 #14
Thank you for visiting! Unwind Your Mind Apr 13 #19
Do it! You will not regret it. CareyOn Apr 13 #50
They have no shame. mdbl Apr 13 #24
National Forests OrangeJoe Apr 13 #31
Retaliation Iamscrewed Apr 13 #15
I guess we'll just have to grow the trees back MadameButterfly Apr 13 #16
Right. The world's tallest trees can be replaced by pine mono-forests just like that Hekate Apr 13 #20
Man. What happened to these guys? MadameButterfly Apr 13 #54
Right. The sequoia's that trump/buddies are lusting for are more than 1,000 years old. erronis Apr 13 #21
it's truly sickening! LymphocyteLover Apr 13 #36
Perhaps it's time to not allow them to cut. Magoo48 Apr 13 #35
Very Saruman of them ybbor Apr 13 #17
MAGA forest management will leave us looking like Mordor LymphocyteLover Apr 13 #37
The goal of destroying what has taken thousands of years to grow and houses CareyOn Apr 13 #18
Yes Hekate Apr 13 #23
Few things more evil than this sort of destruction LymphocyteLover Apr 13 #38
When all the magats are gasping for oxygen mdbl Apr 13 #22
Can they sue to stop him? WTF is an emergency about cutting down trees?? 58Sunliner Apr 13 #25
President mudslides Johonny Apr 13 #26
OH MY GOD!!! bluboid Apr 13 #28
Something tells me there will be massive protests of people saying kimbutgar Apr 13 #29
Fuck that fucking FUCK. RandomNumbers Apr 13 #30
No problem. Someone will sue & the feds might eventually Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 13 #32
What a dick. Owning the Libs. FU Evolve Dammit Apr 13 #33
What emergency? pfitz59 Apr 13 #34
Emergency he created since we buy Tree Lady Apr 13 #56
There's a song called The Trees Dr. T Apr 13 #39
May the Traildogbob Apr 13 #40
We need superheros. Fear not. Magoo48 Apr 13 #41
CALL 911! ROBBERY IN PROGRESS! dchill Apr 13 #42
Secede Cali, now. Clouds Passing Apr 13 #44
Governor Newsum? Magoo48 Apr 13 #49
Trump... GiqueCee Apr 13 #46
Even California GQP will not allow this................ Lovie777 Apr 13 #47
I doubt he can do any such thing. valleyrogue Apr 13 #48
Look at the ecosystems on islands that got deforested. GreenWave Apr 13 #51
This makes me sick Tree Lady Apr 13 #55
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