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crimycarny

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236. But Dems can be the solution

Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:58 AM

Apr 16

No one is saying the Dems are the problem. You continue to conflate wanting the Dems to fight back harder/differently with saying Dems are the problem. Trump is the problem, the GOP enabling him is the problem, and I want my party fighting back harder.

AOC and Bernie have the right idea, and it's starting to resonate (30,000 showed up in Folsom, CA last night.) Cory Booker had the right idea with his marathon filibuster. Dem Representative Al Green, who stood up and protested at the SOTU, had the right idea. The House Dems who stood in silence while holding up bingo paddles had the wrong idea. AOC, Bernie, Cory Booker, and Al Green all protested from a position of active strength, not weak passive symbolism. It is our duty as Democrats to let the leaders we voted for hear our voices.

Complaining about how your party does or doesn't fight back against what another party is doing is not the same as saying your party is the problem.

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If Any Elected Democrat Doesn't Speak Out... [View all] MayReasonRule Apr 14 OP

They should be calling every show and getting booked to talk about this! nt Tadpole Raisin Apr 14 #1

They make fun of them! They play Jasmine Crocket on Fox every hour! kerry-is-my-prez Apr 14 #9

Democrats should mind themselves lest Fox makes fun of them? Ilikepurple Apr 14 #68

Proves that she's getting under their thin skin and there's a LOT of light on her Bengus81 Apr 15 #214

100%!!! MayReasonRule Apr 14 #97

you start stillcool Apr 14 #131

We've forgotten about fucking Republicans? mzmolly Apr 14 #2

We shouldn't look to Democrats? Cirsium Apr 14 #6

Where did I say that?! We should LOOK to EVERY elected mzmolly Apr 14 #30

OK Cirsium Apr 14 #65

Totally agree.. bsiebs Apr 14 #125

Here in SE PA all my representation is Republican. dchill Apr 14 #126

80-90% of Republicans still approve of Trump. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 14 #7

Each Of The Rest Are Strugglilng To Put Lipstik On Their Fascist Pig Faces MayReasonRule Apr 14 #17

I've seen figures that show his approval ratings dropping like a stone with Democratic, Independent, AND Republican vote ShazzieB Apr 14 #50

They are less than 10% for Democrats in most polls in the 30's for Indies. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 15 #231

It boggles the mind!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 14 #152

LOL...those are NOT good numbers for a Republican only poll if that what that is. Bengus81 Apr 15 #215

The GOP Is A Wholly Fascist Ongoing Criminal Enterprise MayReasonRule Apr 14 #16

Republicans WON'T! That's the point! Scrivener7 Apr 14 #19

The greater point is that all elected officials take an oath to defend the US mzmolly Apr 14 #32

Oath... Lol... MayReasonRule Apr 14 #109

So R's should not be held accountable. mzmolly Apr 14 #115

Tell Me My Fellow Democratic Party Member -- How Do You Suggest They Be Held Accountable? MayReasonRule Apr 14 #117

Instead of headlines like "If Any Elected Democrat Doesn't Speak Out..." mzmolly Apr 14 #137

Sigh... You've Still Missed Point ... The All My Best To You And Yours MayReasonRule Apr 14 #141

It's not reasonable to suggest one political party mzmolly Apr 14 #144

Thank you. sheshe2 Apr 15 #190

The GOP Is Wholly Fascist MayReasonRule Apr 14 #106

Do those who voted for Republicans mzmolly Apr 14 #135

A rhetorical question if there ever was one. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 15 #210

A valid question mzmolly Apr 15 #224

Because silence is capitulation crimycarny Apr 14 #123

Why should we expect only Democrats mzmolly Apr 14 #140

We are Democrats. It's on Libertarians and republicans to call out their own leaders. LuvLoogie Apr 14 #157

No, it's on all of us to hold every mzmolly Apr 14 #158

Who said anything about the only party having a duty to act is the Democratic Party? crimycarny Apr 15 #218

I want the country on the right side mzmolly Apr 15 #223

But Dems can be the solution crimycarny Apr 16 #236

I can't believe how many fall for media's spin about Democrats. travelingthrulife Apr 15 #212

No one is getting a pass crimycarny Apr 15 #219

it is obvious repukes do not give a DAMN about WE THE PEOPLE Skittles Apr 14 #124

And should be held accountable. mzmolly Apr 14 #142

when are repukes EVER held accountable? Skittles Apr 14 #148

Exactly. Let's start mzmolly Apr 14 #150

That's 1.5 years away and they WILL be held accountable in the mid terms. Bengus81 Apr 15 #216

Republicans have already made their position known kacekwl Apr 14 #153

Jon Favreau just happens to be cajoling Democrats thought crime Apr 14 #155

IMHO, it is a simple request. Like asking police officers to arrest criminals. progressoid Apr 14 #164

That's kind of like complaining whopis01 Apr 15 #199

Yes blame democrats SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #3

Yes I blame them if they don't speak out. A lot of people are blaming Republicans for what is Autumn Apr 14 #8

Blaming democrats only helps republicans SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #15

I disagee completey, I think it's BS . I consider it holding their feet to the fire. Autumn Apr 14 #18

Yes that will help winning elections SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #24

If they fight we win. Otherwise TS Autumn Apr 14 #26

That's unrealistic SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #29

Bullshit. I elected them to do a job. If they don't do that job I'm going to complain. Autumn Apr 14 #33

And the Republican Party SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #37

And I'm sure they will appreciate yours NT Autumn Apr 14 #46

I'm not blaming democrats SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #53

Christ, don't we already have enough people that will vote for anyone with the D after their name? TheBadWolf Apr 14 #138

Actually, no. We need more. thought crime Apr 14 #149

We didn't have enough in November SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #159

Are Democrats the only representatives who are supposed mzmolly Apr 14 #36

No one ever said that. What I said was they better start pointing out Republican compliance. Autumn Apr 14 #39

And Republicans better start pointing out mzmolly Apr 14 #57

It's also why people hold Democrats to higher standards JI7 Apr 14 #77

Exactly. We are responsible when we're in power mzmolly Apr 14 #81

Yeah Republicans will get right on that to make you happy. Autumn Apr 14 #85

Do you think this is a normal time in our country? mzmolly Apr 14 #91

You really should try reading what i have said, I didn't say fuck Democrats. As for the rest of your Autumn Apr 14 #95

I read it. mzmolly Apr 14 #98

Democrats not speaking truth to power helps Republicans. dem4decades Apr 14 #31

Just what the Republicans want SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #41

No Republicans want meek Democrats, why help them? dem4decades Apr 14 #42

Those attacking democrats help them SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #44

Jon Favreau is a good Democrat, he's not helping Republicans. dem4decades Apr 14 #48

Demanding purity SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #60

Post removed Post removed Apr 14 #94

Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Apr 14 #103

My Fellow Democrat - Those That Do Not Speak Up Abdicate Their Duty Squarely Placing Blame Upon Their Selves MayReasonRule Apr 14 #20

Republicans control the white house SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #27

The GOP Has ZERO CONTROL Over What Reps And Senators Say... MayReasonRule Apr 14 #38

Exactly many have spoken out SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #43

Yeah, I'm Done Here. MayReasonRule Apr 14 #45

Have a nice day 😊 SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #56

Do Republicans have a job to do? mzmolly Apr 14 #74

Fascists Are Without Morals My Fellow Democratic Party Member... MayReasonRule Apr 14 #122

So let's give them a pass. mzmolly Apr 14 #145

I agree, but I don't expect them to. Kingsinger has spoken out very recently. electric_blue68 Apr 15 #225

Purity police? iemanja Apr 14 #63

I don't expect purity SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #67

Standing up to fascism is unrealistic? iemanja Apr 14 #70

And there's more than one way to fight fascism SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #72

What's your way? iemanja Apr 14 #75

Don't know SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #80

Expecting Democrats to do nothing is serving Republican interests iemanja Apr 14 #87

Whoever said they should do nothing? SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #92

You did iemanja Apr 14 #93

Never said that SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #110

YOU decided this OP was about blaming Democrats iemanja Apr 14 #172

Again you put words in my mouth SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #173

Post removed Post removed Apr 14 #175

I'm not obligated to answer your questions SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #178

Then I'm done following your demands iemanja Apr 14 #181

Never said it was a demand SocialDemocrat61 Apr 15 #184

Is it the purity police or the republicans that you see as an enemy? Ilikepurple Apr 14 #88

Never said I saw anyone as an enemy SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #120

Maybe you should start a purity police discussion then. Ilikepurple Apr 14 #160

I don't see any good in blaming democrats SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #161

OP didn't suggest perfection or assign blame. Ilikepurple Apr 14 #163

Yes it does SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #168

I don't think we lost any swing votes from Favreau or Mayreasonrule's posts Ilikepurple Apr 15 #188

It's more than just their posts SocialDemocrat61 Apr 15 #193

So it is now purity policing to want all Dems to speak out against Trump & his Rethug/MAGAts' illegal fascist actions? Celerity Apr 14 #78

Yes it is a purity test SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #89

absolutely disagree nt Celerity Apr 14 #101

As is your right SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #112

It's fucking ridiculous alarimer Apr 14 #154

If Democrats can't speak up, why are they there? dem4decades Apr 14 #28

And I'm sure the Republicans SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #35

I guess Democrats should just be not seen and not heard. dem4decades Apr 14 #47

I think the point is, everyone who claims to care about the country mzmolly Apr 14 #62

Never said that SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #64

You expect capitulation iemanja Apr 14 #66

Nope never said that either SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #69

Your "high bar" is the lowest bar imaginable iemanja Apr 14 #73

Never said that either SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #102

To state that you don't want US citizens sent to a foreign Bettie Apr 14 #83

And many democrats are speaking out about it SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #104

Lots of twisting what is said and personal insults directed at you! Not very nice. betsuni Apr 14 #90

Thanks SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #105

Purity tests vilify those disagreed with, why the personal insults and attacks on character. betsuni Apr 14 #118

Exactly SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #128

So, we are DiverDave Apr 14 #49

Never said that SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #76

How? DiverDave Apr 14 #121

How about celebrating those who are speaking out SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #130

Right! mzmolly Apr 14 #146

How about lighting a fire DiverDave Apr 14 #167

Praising those like SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #169

Yeah, DiverDave Apr 14 #176

Early days SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #179

Telling them to DiverDave Apr 15 #204

I'm sure SocialDemocrat61 Apr 15 #206

who are your elected officals stillcool Apr 14 #132

Senator Murphy, and he speaks up. dem4decades Apr 14 #139

oh...good to know there's one Democrat that gets your approval stillcool Apr 14 #166

Never heard of them. dem4decades Apr 15 #198

of course. That explains everything. stillcool Apr 15 #222

We have every right to expect our elected representatives to serve us and our interests iemanja Apr 14 #59

And if they don't meet your demands SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #136

I do iemanja Apr 14 #170

And if they don't SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #171

My standards are a baseline for human decency iemanja Apr 14 #174

Oh so you decide SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #177

I am a citizen iemanja Apr 14 #180

I'm not the one dictating anything SocialDemocrat61 Apr 15 #183

Ask them about their support of Bill Maher! Abolishinist Apr 15 #186

I didn't take it as a slam against Dems. . . BigDemVoter Apr 14 #61

Democrats are always held to a higher standard SocialDemocrat61 Apr 14 #134

You're gaslighting, with a healthy dose of straw man Orrex Apr 15 #205

Republicans control all three branches of government SocialDemocrat61 Apr 15 #207

Then what are you complaining about? Orrex Apr 15 #208

Not excusing anything SocialDemocrat61 Apr 15 #209

Hmmm... I don't see why 1) we praise those who are speaking out, 2) we at least ask why some Elected Dems aren't w/o... electric_blue68 Apr 15 #226

I have no problem with that SocialDemocrat61 Apr 15 #227

I'm not sure I consider the OP bashing. Very Assertive, yes. electric_blue68 Apr 15 #233

That's the ticket! Expend our energy by "hating on" Democrats. They are fighting widespread media. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 14 #4

OHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS NOT THE FOKKKX MAKING THE FUNZIES!! Nimble_Idea Apr 14 #13

Like Fox news treats them nice if Democratic voters shut the fuck up? Autumn Apr 14 #21

Those That Do Not Speak Out Abdicate Their Duty Thus Placing Blame Upon Their Selves MayReasonRule Apr 14 #22

I just keep Hoping...... Unity In Voice Apr 14 #5

No there is no great secret plan. Just like with Mueller and Garland. nt Autumn Apr 14 #11

Too bad his Bluesky account is so badly neglected. There are ways to post to both simultaneously. CousinIT Apr 14 #10

Agreed!! MayReasonRule Apr 14 #23

Followed you! I am CousinIT on Bluesky. CousinIT Apr 15 #213

Just Followed Ya' Back... Dig Your Moniker BTW! MayReasonRule Apr 15 #221

The silence is only in your mind Nimble_Idea Apr 14 #12

??? MayReasonRule Apr 14 #25

Yeah... Not At All Y'all -- There Ought To Be An Outraged Democatic Rep Or Senator Calling This Out 24/7 MayReasonRule Apr 14 #114

Trump crossed the Rubicon today, he's no longer the president of a functioning democracy. sop Apr 14 #14

No Shit dalton99a Apr 14 #34

If you are an elected official, you should speak out regardless of political party. LoisB Apr 14 #40

Favreau is grasping for relevance. RandySF Apr 14 #51

Interesting, has he demanded Chris Christie speak out ? JI7 Apr 14 #82

Reasons for Impeach Iamscrewed Apr 14 #52

Another episode of the "Blame Democrats for Things I Imagine They Won't Do in the Future" betsuni Apr 14 #54

Reasons for impeachment. Iamscrewed Apr 14 #55

The Trouble Is The Next In Line Is Vance, Then Johnson... MayReasonRule Apr 14 #100

The one thing about Vance & Johnson is They Have NOWHERE Near the MAGAT Following that drumphf has, imho! electric_blue68 Apr 15 #228

That's An Interesting Supposition MayReasonRule Apr 16 #234

Fear. Shapiro/ Pelosi attacks? But yeah, this is no time to be silent as fascism gains traction.. Evolve Dammit Apr 14 #58

Agreed It's No Time To Remain Silent MayReasonRule Apr 14 #96

Trumps taking a hatchet Mtnmama Apr 14 #71

Why wouldn't they be speaking out? jalan48 Apr 14 #79

Ditto SuzyandPuffpuff Apr 14 #84

Bam SuzyandPuffpuff Apr 14 #86

If you're an elected Democrat and you don't speak out Grim Chieftain Apr 14 #99

No Matter Whom... Silence Is Complicty MayReasonRule Apr 14 #119

Chris Van Hollen is going to El Salvador if flamingdem Apr 14 #107

That's What I'm Talkng About!!! Send A Full Delegation!!! MayReasonRule Apr 14 #111

I hope they see this chance flamingdem Apr 14 #113

If only they were all as brave as CVH!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 15 #211

Same goes for SCOTUS, why are they there? doc03 Apr 14 #108

Dems need to be lambasted for their meekness kansasobama Apr 14 #116

Who represents you? stillcool Apr 14 #133

Who represents you? dem4decades Apr 14 #143

nobody you would like stillcool Apr 14 #165

My gerrymandered district kansasobama Apr 16 #235

they haven't been speaking out too much since 2015 Tetrachloride Apr 14 #127

really, still? stillcool Apr 14 #129

If ,,,, Doesn't Speak Out... LilElf70 Apr 14 #147

8th amendment prohibits "cruel or unusual punishment." Liberty Belle Apr 14 #151

I would add former elected Democrats, too. Make some Noise! thought crime Apr 14 #156

It might be helpful to put up a list of Democrats who have spoken out, and those who haven't. lees1975 Apr 14 #162

This is getting old real fast. RandySF Apr 14 #182

Divide and weaken Democrats, take it over like the Tea Party/Trump did the Republican Party. betsuni Apr 15 #187

I noticed all the usual liberal democratic issues except civil rights Ilikepurple Apr 15 #192

In My Book Silence Is Complicity MayReasonRule Apr 15 #197

Not just Democrats....Republicans, who are in a much greater position to get something done about it, Sogo Apr 15 #185

Morning Sogo! Here's The Thing Y'all... MayReasonRule Apr 15 #196

While i think he's Not in office anymore Adam Kinsinger just spoke out electric_blue68 Apr 15 #230

They "should"...but I don't expect thrm to, bc they're getting a lot of what they want from him. electric_blue68 Apr 15 #229

This thread went as expected. n/t flvegan Apr 15 #189

Morning Y'all... What's Your Perspective fivegan? MayReasonRule Apr 15 #195

It's amazing how controversial this discussion has been Ilikepurple Apr 15 #191

Well Phrased, Clear, Succint, On Point MayReasonRule Apr 15 #194

Great reply. Celerity Apr 15 #202

They are they just don't break through... bee_peaceful Apr 15 #200

if that is your threshold Snark Twain Apr 15 #201

"bUt ThEy'Re ThE mInOrItY pArTy AnD hAvE nO pOwEr" Orrex Apr 15 #203

Speaking out against a terrible (and probably unconstitutional) policy, Prairie_Seagull Apr 15 #217

And how many have spoken out to date ? republianmushroom Apr 15 #220

Ok... EvolveDammit...posted in the direction I'm going.... electric_blue68 Apr 15 #232