General Discussion

No one should be debating guilt or innocence. That puts us on their turf.

We have a criminal justice system.

They have evidence? Use it. Arrest and try.

To debate his innocence is implicit acceptance that it is somehow ok to ship people to a foreign jail outside the justice system if the are "guilty" (which they cannot be without trial -- you know, the whole pesky presumed innocent thing that is the bedrock principle?)

This is all appalling. By focusing so heavily on this or that individual, we are losing the forest for the trees. They ALL must come back.

One of our grievances in the revolution was that they shipped people to England to be tried there. These people are getting no trial whatsoever.

It is mind boggling that any American would applaud this, I don't care how brainwashed by the deranged reactionaries a person may be. It's pretty f-ing basic stuff.