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Celerity

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61. That is not how Bitcoin works, it is literally impossible to 'commandeer the entire BitCoin and Crypto supply'
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:58 PM
Apr 23

Some the MAGAts and other shills were insanely claiming BTC could pay off the entire US national debt.

Bear in mind that there are only 21 million bitcoins possible ever, around 20 million have already been mined, and of that 20 million, 4 to 8 million are lost forever (via lost wallets, people who have died and did not leave the private keys to anyone, people who lost the private keys themselves, etc etc). Taking a conservative guess and saying 5 million are perma-lost, that leaves, atm, only 15 million or so out there. For the US to get to 3 million BTC, they would have to literally buy up 20% or so of all the bitcoins that will ever exist. They also can never come close to selling off 20% of the total supply without crashing the valuation to a massive level.

IF you take a pretty wildly optimistic valuation for BTC (I have seen a $3 million per BTC target by 2030) and assume that the US will end up with 1 million bitcoins (what the crypto bros are calling for), and then take that and and TRIPLE it (to 3 million BTC) that yields a gross valuation of only 9 trillion USD at $3m per BTC and the US somehow getting its hands on 3 million BTC.

The national debt will be over 40 trillion USD by 2030, probably far larger. 9 trillion USD (and that number is extraordinarily unlikely to be able to be realised via selling off the US holdings in toto or anywhere near in toto) will never come close to paying off that ever-increasing US national debt.

It is fantasy-land.

But let's go further......let's take it to a a fairly maximal future forward level.......................


By 2050 or so, counting unfunded liabilities, the US cumulative exposure could easily be closing in on 200 trillion USD (hard debt, plus unfunded liabilities, including massive transfers such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc).

Let's say that the US somehow (fantasy but let's play this out) ends up with HALF of all BTC that is available. Around 7.5 million bitcoins (and that is IF the number of perma-lost BTC stays at (or even is) only 5 million BTC lost, and that number (ie half of all BTC that is available) may well be, as time goes on, far too small, it may end up at 7 or even 8 million perma-lost BTC, reducing the 7.5m BTC US holding number (if we are saying the US holds HALF of all BTC) down to as low as 6 million BTC)

Let us also project an extraordinary 10 MILLION USD per BTC market valuation, and lets say the US DOES end up with 7.5 million BTC.

That 7.5 million BTC would have a GROSS value (if ALL were liquidated, which again is impossible for reasons stated before) of 75 trillion USD.

Nowhere near paying off the hard national debt (which if we go off current deficit rates, could be around 80 trillion USD by 2050) PLUS covering the the future unfunded liabilities (over 100 trillion USD atm).

And that is with my utterly profound fantasy-land projections of the US holding HALF of all of the entire BTC supply and a ONE HUNDRED-AND-SEVEN -FOLD increase in the price from its current 93,500 or so USD per BTC, plus some the US dumping all 7.5 million BTC it holds (which would eviscerate the entire market)


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Yes. But it's not over yet. The unintended consequences continue. Scrivener7 Apr 23 #1
I agree. Duncanpup Apr 23 #3
But, hey, pootin is thrilled with kraznov's initiatives SheltieLover Apr 23 #6
Yes pootie loves his cockholster Krasnov. Duncanpup Apr 23 #10
Trump has played his cards badly. NCDem47 Apr 23 #45
Staying out WVlaserguy Apr 23 #2
I can't cash out Old Crank Apr 23 #16
Marjorie Traitor Greede said it's all really super-legal like. Kid Berwyn Apr 23 #4
Not even legal-adjacent, Marge. dchill Apr 23 #15
Yes it seems quite obvious it was a huge lucrative scam. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #5
They have done this many times DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #26
When in power the GOP always backs up their limos to the US treasury. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #46
If you look at a graph DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #47
It is all by design. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #49
This time, DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #51
Musk and Trump probably have already done it. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #52
About a month ago DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #53
Yep. They helped themselves to plenty of souvenirs. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #54
The way I have it figured is that DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #55
Jebus God yes I have seen the gold shit storm in the Oval Office. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #57
Knowing Trump, DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #58
Yep velvet Elvis paintings right up his ally. Irish_Dem Apr 23 #59
That is not how Bitcoin works, it is literally impossible to 'commandeer the entire BitCoin and Crypto supply' Celerity Apr 23 #61
Thank you for the comprehensive DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #62
The US currently has around 147.3 million ounces of gold stored at Fort Knox in Kentucky. At the current price of $3,328 Celerity Apr 23 #63
Thx again Celerity DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #64
I have seen all sorts of claims on the internet over the years, but the way I look at it, the entire Knox supply's total Celerity Apr 23 #66
Sorry, I Can't Buy That ProfessorGAC Apr 23 #7
+1. Never ascribe malfeasance when incompetence is one of the top hypotheses. Without specific Bernardo de La Paz Apr 23 #19
thanks for interjecting a bit of solid reason stopdiggin Apr 23 #34
Thanks misanthrope Apr 23 #44
Let's see the post-DOGE jobs numbers & earnings reports. CrispyQ Apr 23 #32
Nice rose colored glasses you have on there bobalew Apr 23 #41
Prove It! ProfessorGAC Apr 23 #43
In my way of thinking it seemed DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #56
Did you notice DENVERPOPS Apr 23 #50
And since it is such a good scam Marthe48 Apr 23 #8
It's comical at this point wolfie001 Apr 23 #21
Trillions... Largest heist in human history. yourout Apr 23 #9
What recovery? Prairie Gates Apr 23 #11
I think we're only halfway back from the losses we suffered after the tariff fiasco Walleye Apr 23 #28
Yep!! At 10% the *CURRENT tariffs that are still in force are worse than Smoot Hawley uponit7771 Apr 23 #48
Absolutely GoodRaisin Apr 23 #12
I looked at the market Coolgoober Apr 23 #13
He's either an idiot or an evil genius - can't be both GreatGazoo Apr 23 #14
He's an idiot. Evidence is overwhelming for that explanation and absent for other explanations Bernardo de La Paz Apr 23 #20
It's circumstantial evidence but evidence all the same Ponietz Apr 23 #42
I think he's a total fucking idiot bif Apr 23 #25
he is neither, he is a con.... stillcool Apr 23 #30
This was a givin. William769 Apr 23 #17
Yes it is Warpy Apr 23 #18
Exactly right. "Pump and dump". It even has a name. FadedMullet Apr 23 #22
There's so much pumping and dumping it's nauseating Walleye Apr 23 #29
Traitor Iamscrewed Apr 23 #23
Agree republianmushroom Apr 23 #24
No. it wasn't. stopdiggin Apr 23 #27
The only thing he's done in since Jan. 20th stillcool Apr 23 #31
some of the things done, yes. stopdiggin Apr 23 #35
what's brilliant about it? stillcool Apr 23 #37
These more mellow statements are just spin to save Trump's ass. The inevitable tide of tariff recession is coming. Doodley Apr 23 #33
True it is but there is so much more to come. The markets try to react today based on what they think the twodogsbarking Apr 23 #36
There's been little recovery. spanone Apr 23 #38
Yeah, this whole cycle is hardly over Johonny Apr 23 #65
pity the suckers who sold off last week or the week before. WarGamer Apr 23 #39
Congressional oversight should launch a major probe into INSIDER TRADING Martin Eden Apr 23 #40
Yup republianmushroom Apr 23 #60
Think of the current stock market as a craps game. Old Crank Apr 24 #67
I'm inclined to agree... I hope if we ever get rid of them they are charged with insider trading etc. Meowmee Apr 24 #68
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