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Renew Deal

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Wed Jun 18, 2025, 09:46 PM Jun 2025

The war is over. Iran lost [View all]

The war is effectively over. Iran can't mount a defense, and Israel can do anything they want in Iran right now short of full invasion, which is not in their stated goals. Iran launched some missiles early on, but they were only meant to be a nuisance incapable of contributing to any military objective. As of Wednesday night, they aren't even able to do that.

There is going to have to be a lot of reckoning in Iran when this is over. The Iranian government prepared for one threat, and that was internal uprising. They were not prepared for a foreign adversary, supporting their allies like Hezbollah and Syria, or doing anything militarily to back up their rhetoric.

There is abundant evidence that they tried to avoid military fights, like their timid responses in the last two Israel incidents, their initial public statements about proportional military response to this latest outbreak while Israel was talking about regime change, staying out of the Hamas situation, and failing to support Assad.

Iran can still be a nuisance to the world by messing with shipping and oil, and deploying terrorists against the general public, but they can't defend themselves or take offensive action to support their objectives.

Where should Iran go from here? They could try to surrender, but I'm not sure that will be accepted at this point. Aside from that, I think the future in Iran will depend on whether the military is willing to replace the government. The government failed to prepare the country for their biggest adversary. Leaving the country and the population defenseless is inexcusable and heads should roll (possibly literally).

Israel could still screw this up if Netanyahu decides to be the "king of the ashes."

The world needs to be ready for a bigger, meaner, Iran in the future. They will learn from this and will likely not make the same mistakes again. (I think the same thing will happen with Russia after the Ukraine war.) That's a problem for another day.

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The war is over. Iran lost [View all] Renew Deal Jun 2025 OP
Missile capability in shambles. Nuclear weapons development crippled. nt LexVegas Jun 2025 #1
I've said before and I'll say it again, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2025 #2
Mission accomplished? Where have I heard that before... meadowlander Jun 2025 #3
The operation that killed bin Laden? nt LexVegas Jun 2025 #4
In the timeline where we left Afghanistan in 2011 and it turned into a functional democracy? meadowlander Jun 2025 #5
No, the one where Obama accomplished the mission to kill bin Laden. nt LexVegas Jun 2025 #7
The thing about war is one party doesn't get to set the end point arbitrarily. meadowlander Jun 2025 #11
... W_HAMILTON Jun 2025 #20
Gaza enid602 Jun 2025 #6
You break it, you own it - 20 years later we left with our tail between our legs. walkingman Jun 2025 #8
Iran only managed to launch a small number of missiles today rollin74 Jun 2025 #9
Their offensive capability has been decimated. nt LexVegas Jun 2025 #12
Once the IAF gained air superiority over Iran, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 2025 #13
Egypt in 1967 sufferred the same fate PCIntern Jun 2025 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jun 2025 #10
We destroyed Iran's democracy and installed a king Easterncedar Jun 2025 #16
Wait, I thought it was 2 weeks away from nuclear capability? AloeVera Jun 2025 #22
Air superiority does not win a war. Eko Jun 2025 #14
Yes, it may well be necessary to win a war but Disaffected Jun 2025 #18
Depends on what the real goals are AZProgressive Jun 2025 #21
"It ain't over til it's over" -- Yogi Berra Ponietz Jun 2025 #15
Iran is still capable of plenty of mischief. DFW Jun 2025 #17
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