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Orrex

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52. I'm reminded of something I read not so long ago

Thu Jul 3, 2025, 11:12 AM

Jul 2025

Bringing in Hitler as the ultimate outlier, is just more intellectual one-upsmanship

It’s intellectual one-upsmanship to invoke Hitler in this discussion, but not intellectual one-upmanship to invoke Nazis when it’s convenient for you to do so?

You’re oddly focused on faulting critics for being, in effect, bad people because they fault artists for being bad people.

You can get nasty splinters by standing on both sides of the fence that way.

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Bob Dylan, Politics, Folk Music, and DU Opinions [View all] MineralMan Jul 2025 OP

And from rumors. Dylan never, ever supported TACO. marble falls Jul 2025 #1

Its also dumb politics that won't help us win. nt BootinUp Jul 2025 #2

If folks didn't learn to separate the artist from the art... FalloutShelter Jul 2025 #3

Yes, indeed. MineralMan Jul 2025 #6

Yep. FalloutShelter Jul 2025 #7

I don't have a problem with that. If Hitler were a great painter, jrthin Jul 2025 #9

Obviously, this is a generalization. FalloutShelter Jul 2025 #11

"Artists are not responsible to fullfill your aspiration for them," is correct. jrthin Jul 2025 #23

Congratulations on your moral rectitude. FalloutShelter Jul 2025 #29

Thank you. jrthin Jul 2025 #35

and a fairly thorough deconstruction of the vapid stopdiggin Jul 2025 #66

That's a bodacious straw man Hekate Jul 2025 #71

It's a shame that so many great artists were shifty people, then Orrex Jul 2025 #30

Which art would burn? FalloutShelter Jul 2025 #32

Why must that be the next step, exactly? Please be specific. Orrex Jul 2025 #39

Because we have Nazi's in power now in America. FalloutShelter Jul 2025 #41

You're mixing apples and orange. One is a government crackdown. The jrthin Jul 2025 #45

I'm reminded of something I read not so long ago Orrex Jul 2025 #52

Okay. Let's take art out of it. FalloutShelter Jul 2025 #55

Hmm Orrex Jul 2025 #78

Yes, Orrex! Yes! jrthin Jul 2025 #38

Meh. Happy Hoosier Jul 2025 #4

OK. Thanks for your opinion. MineralMan Jul 2025 #5

I never liked his whiny style either... Trueblue Texan Jul 2025 #8

Somebody with the following track record seems like a pretty good guy to me: Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #15

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm stealing this (will credit you)... Hekate Jul 2025 #73

No problem! Wiz Imp Jul 2025 #88

We don't romanticize the culture of the 60's cksmithy Jul 2025 #93

He definitely got into my spirit Beringia Jul 2025 #10

Yes. For a few years, he was a strong voice in music. MineralMan Jul 2025 #12

Purposefully an iconoclast. He sought new views. cachukis Jul 2025 #13

Yes. Fitting in wasn't in his playbook. MineralMan Jul 2025 #14

Hating Dylan's music can be more difficult than you might think... Wounded Bear Jul 2025 #16

Yes. The thing is that he doesn't really push to MineralMan Jul 2025 #18

Yes. It is a staggering, jaw-dropping number. Tarzanrock Jul 2025 #21

Thanks for that information. MineralMan Jul 2025 #25

I have a CD of songs Dylan wrote but never recorded Retrograde Jul 2025 #64

Well Said ProfessorGAC Jul 2025 #82

Thank you for this post Just_Vote_Dem Jul 2025 #17

While it doesn't approach the vile hatred of racist GOPers, Democrats hate too. Not admirable IMO. Silent Type Jul 2025 #19

Yes, it's true. MineralMan Jul 2025 #27

It's the uber radical Left who "hates" in the Democratic Party. Tarzanrock Jul 2025 #20

Have a feeling what the "Where's so-and-so?" posts are about, failing the purity test. betsuni Jul 2025 #56

I think it's really one DUer who is highly conflicted muriel_volestrangler Jul 2025 #22

+1. this really nails it. stopdiggin Jul 2025 #69

We... littlemissmartypants Jul 2025 #24

And then there's this from a handful of days ago darkstar Jul 2025 #26

I'm pretty sure his personal political views are more complex that we know. MineralMan Jul 2025 #28

Thank you for your sane and rational post Fiendish Thingy Jul 2025 #31

Expectations by the public have ruined many careers for artists. MineralMan Jul 2025 #34

"Saving democracy is our job, all of us" -- amen Hekate Jul 2025 #81

Bob Dylan is 84, not 82. Croney Jul 2025 #33

Thanks for the correction. And yes, quite a life! MineralMan Jul 2025 #37

Born May 24, 1941. madaboutharry Jul 2025 #49

IDEAS are at the core of all ART Martin Eden Jul 2025 #36

Thanks, yes! MineralMan Jul 2025 #43

Great insight MM. bluesbassman Jul 2025 #40

I'm envious of your concert plans. MineralMan Jul 2025 #46

I never cared for Bob Dylan's music. Sogo Jul 2025 #42

OK... MineralMan Jul 2025 #47

Thanks MineralMan. I've always been a fan of Bob Dylan, and always will be. patphil Jul 2025 #44

Well, I always enjoyed his earliest stuff the best. MineralMan Jul 2025 #51

"Checking Out" Big Pink maddiemom Jul 2025 #48

I have loved Bob Dylan since I first became cksmithy Jul 2025 #50

Thanks for sharing your story. MineralMan Jul 2025 #53

Thank you, Mineral Man. rubbersole Jul 2025 #54

I think you're right about that. MineralMan Jul 2025 #61

I suppose that it's a similar issue to another famous Minnesotan... keep_left Jul 2025 #57

It reminds me BootinUp Jul 2025 #58

The women he was involved with sure learned Dylan wasn't who they wanted him to be early on. pandr32 Jul 2025 #59

His personal relationships are not that interesting to me. MineralMan Jul 2025 #62

During the Cheney/Rumsfeld occupation DENVERPOPS Jul 2025 #60

The answer my friend... Cirsium Jul 2025 #63

Thanks for the kick, eh? MineralMan Jul 2025 #65

OK, you win DU for today (n/t) Retrograde Jul 2025 #67

Hundreds of participants in those threads, MM, dripping with ignorance & bile... Hekate Jul 2025 #68

Thanks, Hekate. MineralMan Jul 2025 #70

So did I, so did I... Hekate Jul 2025 #72

Dripping with ignorance and bile, agree. betsuni Jul 2025 #77

I appreciate the Dylan bashing posts FrankBooth Jul 2025 #74

Seems like this is a right brain versus left brain dilemma Beringia Jul 2025 #75

Regarding his character, post #15 in this thread will cheer anyone up.. Hekate Jul 2025 #76

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2025 #79

Welcome to DU Hekate Jul 2025 #85

I like his music, PatSeg Jul 2025 #80

Well, I've never met him, so I don't know him as a person. MineralMan Jul 2025 #84

I suppose it is presumptuous PatSeg Jul 2025 #92

I never saw these GD posts about Dylan maxsolomon Jul 2025 #83

Great response to the lefty kids: The "default setting" for over-80s Americans... Hekate Jul 2025 #86

My 36 year old lefty child who's massively opposed to Israel's actions in Gaza maxsolomon Jul 2025 #87

Tell her I said Hi Hekate Jul 2025 #90

Don't know much about him & don't have much of an opinion but it's interesting Joni Mitchell had quite a few criticisms Quixote1818 Jul 2025 #89

Doesn't take away from his music -- or Joni's Hekate Jul 2025 #91