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TnDem

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24. You are out of your league here
Sat Jul 5, 2025, 06:15 PM
Jul 2025

Congratulations....you can cut and paste from Wikipedia.

Without Google, or Wikipedia or any other search aid, do you personally know the difference in these things?:

1) The difference in a regular WW2 German army unit such as the Wehrmacht/Heer, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine and the SS?
2) Do you know what the "SS" even means?
3) Do you know the level of fanaticism and purity that it took for even a GERMAN ARMY member to transfer to the SS?
4) Do you realize the size of an SS Division and that Himmler actually made these Ukrainian soldiers as full fledged SS members OVER some of the third reich's own Wehrmacht troops?

And since you know how to be an armchair Wikipedia expert, here's some quick reading about The Armed Forces Committee for the Liberation of the Soviet Union:

As a result, some Red Army soldiers surrendered or defected in hopes of joining an army that did not exist. Many Soviet prisoners of war volunteered to serve under German command just to get out of Nazi POW camps, which were notorious for starving Soviet prisoners to death.

Meanwhile in 1944, the newly captured Soviet general Vlasov, along with his German and Russian allies, was desperately lobbying the German high command, hoping that the green light would be given for the formation of a real armed force that would be exclusively under Russian control. They were able to win over only Alfred Rosenberg to some extent.

Although Hitler's staff repeatedly refused to even consider the idea, Vlasov and his allies reasoned that Hitler would eventually come to realize the futility of a war against the USSR without winning over the Russian people, and respond to Vlasov's demands.

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Yes and upon war's end the Nazis were much sought after. bucolic_frolic Jul 2025 #1
Stalin wasn't very popular with many Soviets... Wounded Bear Jul 2025 #2
Or the blue-wave Jul 2025 #4
This is the main issue. The Russians and Ukrainians had no love of the Nazis DFW Jul 2025 #22
And unfortunately, Stalin never trusted the partisans either... Wounded Bear Jul 2025 #23
Collaborators Cirsium Jul 2025 #3
with a few changes hitler coulda been seen as a liberator to ukraine. then he coulda done msongs Jul 2025 #5
Yup. blue-wave Jul 2025 #10
That doesn't make blue-wave Jul 2025 #6
Cossacks TnDem Jul 2025 #7
That doesn't discount the blue-wave Jul 2025 #12
Cossacks were mentioned TnDem Jul 2025 #14
"And Cossacks were mainly Ukrainian" blue-wave Jul 2025 #15
And there were hundreds of thousands of Russians blue-wave Jul 2025 #16
I'm sure there was... TnDem Jul 2025 #19
From Wikipedia. Read it and learn something. blue-wave Jul 2025 #21
You are out of your league here TnDem Jul 2025 #24
No I'm not out of my league here blue-wave Jul 2025 #25
Hoo boy TnDem Jul 2025 #26
Wow! here we go blue-wave Jul 2025 #27
There is no narrative dude TnDem Jul 2025 #28
Touche!! blue-wave Jul 2025 #29
the Italians sweetapogee Jul 2025 #18
Italy TnDem Jul 2025 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2025 #8
How old do you think Putin is? Ocelot II Jul 2025 #9
That doesn't mean blue-wave Jul 2025 #11
Look up Ivan Ilyin far right Russian philosopher circa 1920's to 1940's. gordianot Jul 2025 #13
He was a weird dude... anti-Communist, anti-Lenin, anti-Stalin, Anti Hitler after 1934, and anti totalitarianism. WarGamer Jul 2025 #30
Stalin was a butcher, and many sided with the Nazis to defeat him. Swede Jul 2025 #17
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