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highplainsdem

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Wed Jul 9, 2025, 07:14 AM Jul 2025

Grok turning antisemitic yesterday was disgusting. It also showed that generative AI shouldn't be trusted, period. [View all]

None of the chatbots a lot of people (even some DUers, unfortunately) are using are truly intelligent, or even truly aware of what they're churning out. They aren't thinking. They have no beliefs. They aren't your friends.

They're machines owned and operated by individuals and businesses whose values may sometimes appear to agree with yours, but who can't be depended on. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, for instance, was once widely viewed as dependably liberal. Silicon Valley was once viewed as liberal. The tech bros lining up behind Trump should have made it clear the peddlers of generative AI are not on our side.

I've seen people here suggest that chatbots are better, or at least more convenient, than using search. No, they're not. And turning to them for answers not only leaves you dumbed down and vulnerable to being misled (people who turn to chatbots tend NOT to check their answers), it deprives the websites those chatbots are trained on - usually without permission - of the traffic they need to continue to exist. AI summaries in search are destroying the internet as well as hurting AI users' ability to reason. The goal of those AI summaries or overviews in search is to stop the search at that point - that's what's most profitable for the company offering that "convenient" AI tool.

Just as it's most profitable for them if people not only use their AI tools but become dependent on them. And those companies don't care what wreckage they leave in their wake, in terms of individual humans, economies and natural environments harmed.

Musk is the most extreme example of the tech bros behind generative AI not being on the side of liberals, or even humanity in general.

But it's been clear for some time that generative AI is inherently unethical, starting with the theft of the world's intellectual property, and continuing through all their fights against regulation and their lack of concern over the many harms resulting already from genAI. The AI companies all KNOW, too, that the tools they're peddling are flawed, and that artificial intelligence is a misnomer. But that hasn't stopped them from pushing people to use their tools and trying to make everyone dependent on them.

Stop falling for it.

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Degenerative AI CentralMass Jul 2025 #1
That's a much more accurate name for this technology. highplainsdem Jul 2025 #4
Perfect. CaptainTruth Jul 2025 #24
It is having issues with health/medical questions. It can do a good job of finding the answer to a hlthe2b Jul 2025 #2
All chatbots have issues with all questions. None of them are aware of what's true and what isn't. highplainsdem Jul 2025 #3
I have to disagree. I'm sorry. cab67 Jul 2025 #14
Heavens.. This was not an absolutist dichotomous comment. I said in general, if I ask hlthe2b Jul 2025 #17
fair enough. cab67 Jul 2025 #18
Once again you make it seem as though I am meant to be the defender of AI. I was testing it as YOU were. hlthe2b Jul 2025 #22
Those AI summaries drive me nuts. I ignore them and go on to detailed, trusted sources -- but it's allegorical oracle Jul 2025 #5
They should be ignored - not just because they're often wrong, but because they exist primarily highplainsdem Jul 2025 #25
X User Threatens Lawsuit After Elon Musk's 'Grok' AI Gives Step-by-Step Instructions on How to Break Into His House and CentralMass Jul 2025 #6
I hope he DOES sue! JFC! LymphocyteLover Jul 2025 #10
Saw those on X last night. Horrifying. highplainsdem Jul 2025 #26
Didn't know what Grok is. So looked it up, found this......... Fla Dem Jul 2025 #7
Best description of AI I've seen... ihaveaquestion Jul 2025 #8
Quite a headline "Elon Musk's Grok Is Calling for a New Holocaust" LymphocyteLover Jul 2025 #9
That's the article I read this a.m. It's blood-chilling. Thx for posting the link. nt allegorical oracle Jul 2025 #11
Antisemitic? Hateful? AI is becoming more human-like. Norrrm Jul 2025 #12
Grok turning antisemitic sabbat hunter Jul 2025 #13
Queue up the Butlerian Jihad! /nt aka-chmeee Jul 2025 #15
Extra points for a Herbert reference... Hugin Jul 2025 #20
Grok went WAAAAAY beyond antisemitic obamanut2012 Jul 2025 #16
How did we go from "don't believe everything you see on the Internet" SouthBayDem Jul 2025 #19
I presume Grok is AI ? If one wants to reach out, I don't assume the choir doesn't know every word. Tetrachloride Jul 2025 #21
It has completely replaced Google for me purple_haze Jul 2025 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author get the red out Jul 2025 #27
And Trump's Big Bullshit Bill put a freeze on AI regulation for the next 10 years. Initech Jul 2025 #28
That section was removed by the parliamentarian, but they're going to try to get it passed in separate highplainsdem Jul 2025 #29
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