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In reply to the discussion: You can't help but notice that HAMAS hasn't shown up to protect Gazans [View all]AloeVera
(4,090 posts)If Hamas committed a war crime as accused, they need to be charged and held accountable. For that to occur, Israel must present indisputable, independently verified evidence of their use of hospitals and schools. It has not done so.
If Israel committed fraud in its PR campaign, both before and after raiding and destroying Al Shifa and other hospitals, then it needs to be charged and held accountable also. For the war crime of the destruction of the hospital system as a tool of war (and ethnic cleansing).
I repeat: Israel has not presented convincing, indisputable evidence - the bar required before attacking a hospital - has not acceded to investigation by independent parties, and has entirely destroyed the Strip's hospital and medical system based on flimsy evidence. This resulted in heinous human suffering that persists to this day. I hope that it is held to account.
No one can definitively debunk Israel's claims using direct evidence - as Israel won't accede to independent investigations and won't let in foreign journalists to work independently. However, there is a plethora of information and analysis that points to these claims being false. The pattern of deceit and lies is quite consistent.
Simply put, Israel has no credibility left. It lies and then lies some more. Sometimes it forgets it already lied or forgets the details of its previous lie, and that's when it gets caught.
It definitely lied about the hospitals. Here's some evidence of that - there's tons more, but as I said you could do your own research - if you are so inclined.
On January 2, 2024, U.S. intelligence confirmed its belief that Hamas used the Al-Shifa Hospital as a command center and to hold Israeli hostages, mentioning in an assessment that Hamas used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages.[79][80][55] However, news reports the next day said that both Israeli and US statements are not considered as conclusive proof of Hamas use of al-Shifa.[81][82]
On February 12, 2024, classified Israeli intelligence documents, obtained and reviewed by The New York Times suggested Hamas did store weapons and took cover at the hospital, using tunnels 213 meters long, twice the size previously known. The tunnels included bunkers, living areas, and computer and communications rooms, and established documents showed that Hamas masked its activities using the hospital. The Times also verified that the tunnel was under the surgery center. The article confirms that "The Israeli military, however, has struggled to prove that Hamas maintained a command-and-control center under the facility. Critics of the Israeli military say the evidence does not support its early claims, noting that it had distributed material before the raid showing five underground complexes and also had said the tunnel network could be reached from wards inside a hospital building."[83]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shifa_hospital
On 21 December, The Washington Post published an analysis concluding that the hospital buildings in question were not actually connected to the tunnels.[41] On 2 January 2024 newly declassified documents by the United States showed that its spy agencies continued to express confidence that the hospital had been used as a command and control centre, while providing no visual evidence.[42] The next day Israel announced that it had dismantled a tunnel beneath the hospital.[43] News reports the following day said both the Israeli and US statements are not considered as conclusive proof of Hamas use of al-Shifa.[44][45]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital_siege
And then there is this interesting site, detailing Israel's pattern of dishonest claims relating to the hospital attacks. I hope you read the whole thing.
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The Israeli military claimed that an extensive tunnel network at Al-Shifa hospital had been used as Hamas headquarters and that entrances [to the tunnel] are located in various departments of the hospital, including the admissions department, putting all patients at risk. The Israeli military spokesperson also claimed that Hamas also has an entrance to those terror tunnels from inside the hospital wards meaning from different places of the hospital you can go into an underground tunnel. Reporting indicates that the tunnel does not provide access to the hospital wards and as we have shown above, and that its actual size and reach is inconsistent with the illustrations the Israeli military published alongside these claims. Our findings also indicate that the computer-generated graphics alleging an extensive tunnel network beneath Al-Shifa are nothing like the Israeli militarys own claims about the tunnel footprint on 22 November. We also found that their 27 October claim (which accompanied the computer-generated graphics) that a command and control centre existed beneath Al-Shifa contradicts the claims they subsequently made and evidence they presented on 20 November.
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/assessment-israeli-material-icj-jan-2024
Why do you call attention drawn to Israel's misuse of international law - using one part of the law to achieve its ends but ignoring another, equally important part that, if applied, would have prevented the destruction of Israel's hospitals - a "pivot"? Just a rhetorical question.