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55. Current Affairs Magazine had a piece on Christianity recently
Tue Nov 11, 2025, 05:10 PM
Nov 11

It answers your questions.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/john-fugelsang

Two generations of Christians have been raised to prioritize something Jesus never talked about over everything Jesus ever did talk about. Most conservative Christians probably don’t know that the Bible never condemns abortion. There are no penalties for abortion. None of the prophets ever mention abortion, but Jesus is hardcore against the death penalty. I’m just tired of seeing my parents’ religion used as cover for meanness and hypocrisy. I’m not saying the Bible is pro-abortion, but it certainly isn’t against it. Abortions are legal and free in Israel right now because Jesus’s religion—that religion is the star of the book—never banned abortions, and most Americans don’t even know this. Their emotions have been manipulated for 45 years to go for “protecting the unborn,” and then they wind up voting against all the direct commandments of Jesus in favor of guys like Donald Trump.

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There’s so much evidence in the Bible that Jesus is not anti-gay, namely the Sermon on the Mount. You can’t talk this bullshit that Allie pushes and claim to follow this guy. Toxic empathy—turn away more refugees. Turn away more refugees while boasting of your piety.

ROBINSON: Turning to the abortion chapter of the book, I was interested in finding out how she uses the text of the Bible to justify opposition to abortion. And it’s quite thin, this part. I mean, basically she says that God expresses deep detestation for the unjust killing of people; the prohibition of murder is the fifth of the 10 Commandments.

FUGELSANG: Yes, strong argument.

ROBINSON: The Lord hates hands that shed innocent blood. And that’s about it.

FUGELSANG: So again, I’m not saying the Bible’s pro-abortion or that Jesus would work as a clinic escort on the weekends, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now. You wouldn’t know this if you watch Fox News, but do you know why abortions are legal and free in Israel right now? Because the one religion that’s in the Bible, that would be Judaism, the religion of Moses—Jesus died being a Jew—never bans abortion. Judaism believes that life begins with the first breath. That’s repeated throughout the Gospels. Now I’m not going to say that it’s pro-abortion, but abortions are legal and free in Israel right now.
They want to believe in a Christianity where God really wants men to force people to be pregnant against their will—where men force rape victims to be pregnant by their attacker against their will—and none of this appears in the Bible. At no point do they say you’ve got to force poor women to have greater poverty. My Christian take is, considering that abortion is less dangerous than pregnancy or childbirth, I don’t have any goddamn right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. I’m on the side of men not telling women what to do with their bodies. That’s the world Jesus grew up in. God, in Exodus 21, asserts that a fetus is property and that a woman’s life has more value in his eyes. In Numbers 5, God gives rather gruesome, detailed abortion tips for pregnant, unfaithful wives. Let’s talk about killing innocents because, oh, you Gentiles heard about Passover? God killed the firstborn of all the Egyptian sons. God kills tons of kids and fetuses in this book; one time, God drowned every pregnant woman and fetus on Earth with a flood because he was in a mood. Jesus never comes out against abortion. God never mentions it. God never has any characters of the Bible say anything against abortion. Jesus is vigorously against the death penalty, but Allie Beth Stuckey thinks that Jesus is wrong on that, and Donald Trump is right. So again, man, you want to go ahead and fight for criminalizing abortion? Go ahead. But don’t tell me you’re doing it because of Jesus.


Fugelsang is cool..

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They base their objection on the "you shall not murder" commandment. While the 10 Commandments are from the WhiskeyGrinder Nov 10 #1
But most religions support killing in the name of their deities malaise Nov 10 #11
Sure, I'm not saying they're consistent or correct. "Righteous" killings are somehow different. But if you ask the WhiskeyGrinder Nov 10 #13
LOL malaise Nov 10 #20
So presumably they are all utterly opposed PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 10 #26
No. That's considered a righteous killing, not murder (which is an unrighteous killing). WhiskeyGrinder Nov 10 #30
Righteous, not righteous, it's still murder. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 11 #47
Their answer would be that that is your standard, not God's. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 11 #48
Clearly, then, God is a hypocrite. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 11 #49
Again, by your standard. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 11 #50
Some Catholics oppose both capital punishment and abortion DBoon Nov 11 #51
Jesus came to live a perfect life which fulfilled the law questionseverything Nov 11 #56
Jesus never mentioned abortion. n/t Coventina Nov 10 #2
Nothing tintinvotes Nov 10 #3
Jeremiah 1:5 dsc Nov 10 #4
Not a ringing condemnation but if that's all they got.... CTyankee Nov 10 #5
That was referring to a claim to being one of the Top Prophets and leader, from what I understand. haele Nov 10 #22
Nothing. And they base their positions on their own opinions/desires, and then RockRaven Nov 10 #6
The Bible never mentions conception as the beginning of life. multigraincracker Nov 10 #7
Yes and that's the Jewish perspective... milestogo Nov 10 #9
Nothing. milestogo Nov 10 #8
Numbers 5 - 11 thru 31 Midnight Writer Nov 10 #15
The trial by "bitter waters" is the only reference I can find to abortion in the bible. TomSlick Nov 10 #38
Murder Prohibition Covers It OC375 Nov 10 #10
Now it does. But it's all about definitions. haele Nov 10 #23
As a Lutheran, and from the bible: the same thing he said about drag queens - not a darn thing. marble falls Nov 10 #12
The only Lutheran I know is staunchly against abortion. He's active in his church and that's why I asked... CTyankee Nov 10 #14
Missouri Synod? We're the Shia of the Lutheran World. I'm progressive Missouri Synod, I have a sense of humor. ... marble falls Nov 10 #16
WELS is the Shia of the Lutheran world! Krazy_Kat Nov 10 #18
You Evangelicans can play cards, dance, drink wine and beer in the basement. Not we MSLs. I've gone to ... marble falls Nov 10 #21
I grew up in an MSL church. Happy Hoosier Nov 11 #43
The schools broke me. We began memorizing the entire Luther's Small Catechism in fourth grade. ... marble falls Nov 11 #44
Wow. Happy Hoosier Nov 11 #45
It got better, I moved to Akron and joined an Evangelical congregation. But I still feel myself MSL, and an Ohioan ... marble falls Nov 11 #59
From the Southern Baptist Convention in 1971: Girard442 Nov 10 #17
he said it's cool through the second trimester rollin74 Nov 10 #19
Nada. And abortion was acceptable up to birth. Hassler Nov 10 #24
He didn't say anything MurrayDelph Nov 10 #25
Jesus said as much about abortion sarisataka Nov 10 #27
Nothing. Nothing about homosexuality either. nt mcar Nov 10 #28
Jesus never said a single word about abortion, nor did he say a single word about homosexuality Wiz Imp Nov 10 #29
Nada... Wounded Bear Nov 10 #31
To the best of my knowledge, Jesus was silent on the issue of abortion. rsdsharp Nov 10 #32
The justification for not having sex with no possibility of procreation... Jacson6 Nov 10 #33
John Fugelsang has this covered in his new book, GoCubsGo Nov 10 #34
If he expanded the Temple, then your answer might be found in the works of King Herod the Great. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 10 #35
Life in the womb is the potential for human life. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 10 #36
Jesus was a Jew. Chemical Bill Nov 10 #37
The same as what he said about slavery Kaleva Nov 10 #39
As someone who had read the Bible extensively, Dead Sea Scrolls, Pseudepigrapha, etc. Xolodno Nov 10 #40
Jesus himself never KentuckyWoman Nov 10 #41
In colonial America (which was most definitely Christian), I believe abortion was considered OK up until the quickening Midwestern Democrat Nov 10 #42
Nothing. Jesus Said Nothing about That. MineralMan Nov 11 #46
Not a thing Rebl2 Nov 11 #52
"Do not judge or you too will be judged" (Matthew 7:1) C_U_L8R Nov 11 #53
There are a lot of ways... Mike Nelson Nov 11 #54
Current Affairs Magazine had a piece on Christianity recently jfz9580m Nov 11 #55
Not one single word. 11 Bravo Nov 11 #57
It isn't mine so I'm not paying for it! - Jesus Xavier Breath Nov 11 #58
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