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karynnj

(60,910 posts)
43. Could it be "the safe choice" is defined as the person
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 01:25 PM
Nov 2025

with a solid resume, some proven leadership, and likely better name recognition without obvious baggage.

Calling someone the safe choice is a misnomer. Although the media, some historians and many ordinary people want to ascribe the winner of the election as the "better choice",this is a comforting mythification.. Now, Trump having won twice should end that spurious logic.

You can always HYPOTHESIZE that a different choice might have changed a Democratic loss to a win, but it is not possible to know. You mention 2016, but Bernie NEVER went through the scrutiny that candidates considered potential winners are given in either the primaries or general election. It is true he might have won people Clinton lost, but he might have lost people who she won. Your best argument might be that it was a good year to appear to be an outsider.

In 2024, the process for Harris becoming the nominee was as bad as any in my life .. and I remember McGovern dropping Eagleton. Had Biden announced he was not running, the primaries would have given her or any other nominee some lift. Biden did some remarkable things, but he should have given Harris the type of high profile, important and likely successful roles Obama gave him. Additionally, after the midterms, he should have seriously considered announcing he wanted to concentrate on being President - if only because it was clear the media had already labeled him too old.

I think one major element in Harris losing was the war in Gaza. There was no politically good US role. The US did negotiate getting many hostages out and ceasefires that were quickly broken. We limited some weapons, but still supplied enormous amounts of bombs. People on both sides disagreed with this position.

It might have been if there were primaries no candidate, including Harris, would have been as connected to current policy.

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Ay yay yay Prairie Gates Nov 2025 #1
I like her but if this country can't even accept someone like Clinton or Harris, travelingthrulife Nov 2025 #2
This nation won't elect a woman. Squaredeal Nov 2025 #17
Yes, and I don't think the third time will be the charm in the situation Walleye Nov 2025 #27
The sad truth Lithos Nov 2025 #77
If you want a Republican in the White House in 2029 Bluestocking Nov 2025 #3
What about her? MineralMan Nov 2025 #4
kelly rampartd Nov 2025 #5
We cannot afford to not take a chance imo. Just like we did with Obama. yellowcanine Nov 2025 #9
"Dems overthink the electability issue, imo." stopdiggin Nov 2025 #26
I think most women would agree that Harris and Clinton were not safe choices.We know, we're used to disappointmennt. Walleye Nov 2025 #32
Oh, please. W_HAMILTON Nov 2025 #39
Could it be "the safe choice" is defined as the person karynnj Nov 2025 #43
No sheshe2 Nov 2025 #79
I think AOC would be a great senator. yardwork Nov 2025 #6
My home state AltairIV Nov 2025 #68
Yes, it really is too early to talk about 2028. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2025 #7
You are very right. Big Blue Marble Nov 2025 #76
I seriously doubt they would do that. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2025 #84
As Michelle Obama said "this country isn't ready for a woman president". Ferryboat Nov 2025 #8
That's right, the female leaders in other countries are not in command of the largest military in the world. That's it Walleye Nov 2025 #33
I'm all in on AOC for POTUS -misanthroptimist Nov 2025 #10
There isn't an example in the last 125 years of someone from the House successfully running for president Buckeyeblue Nov 2025 #11
Governors tend to be elected President FalloutShelter Nov 2025 #65
She should run for Senate in 2028. Schumer so needs to go, and if he insists on running again, AOC can defeat him. Celerity Nov 2025 #12
You are right SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2025 #69
Celerity........... Upthevibe Nov 2025 #80
I think she needs to build her resume. GreenWave Nov 2025 #87
I would love it mvd Nov 2025 #13
mvd.......... Upthevibe Nov 2025 #81
No. As Michelle Obama said the US isn't ready for a woman President Ritabert Nov 2025 #14
I love Kelly as my Senator and as a very honorable man, but he's not electable as POTUS AZJonnie Nov 2025 #21
You're right. I like Pritzker too. Ritabert Nov 2025 #25
Pritzker is my 1st choice, if he chooses to run SheltieLover Nov 2025 #34
JB is good on his feet duckworth969 Nov 2025 #72
Sadly, but for the violence, his wife might have been President karynnj Nov 2025 #35
AZJonnie......... Upthevibe Nov 2025 #82
Pritzker or Newsom for me JustAnotherGen Nov 2025 #90
If you want to lose another election, sure why not awesomerwb1 Nov 2025 #15
awesomerwb1........... Upthevibe Nov 2025 #83
No Mz Pip Nov 2025 #16
It is too soon, but regardless, this country is clearly too deeply misogynistic Ocelot II Nov 2025 #18
A woman will not be the 2028 Dem nominee Fiendish Thingy Nov 2025 #19
Pete for President CurtEastPoint Nov 2025 #20
He would have a much better chance than AOC and I would absolutely LOVE to vote for Pete AZJonnie Nov 2025 #22
AZJonnie............. Upthevibe Nov 2025 #85
If Pete runs, he has my vote pinkstarburst Nov 2025 #49
Who also has never won a statewide election MichMan Nov 2025 #89
She's the best candidate if we wanna lose all 50 states nycbos Nov 2025 #23
nycbos......... Upthevibe Nov 2025 #86
What's the definition of insanity? dem4decades Nov 2025 #24
The truth is Jilly_in_VA Nov 2025 #28
well, there's a trial ballon .... gunned into rags and tatters within a matter of minutes ! - - -(nt)- stopdiggin Nov 2025 #29
No. This will result in President Vance Blumancru Nov 2025 #30
Newsom/Shapiro Is My Ticket, Also! The Latter Is My Governor.... ColoringFool Nov 2025 #48
We need someone who will win. And that means someone who dumbshit American voters RockRaven Nov 2025 #31
I do agree mvd Nov 2025 #40
This is a complete and utter horseshite suggestion. murielm99 Nov 2025 #36
Josh Shspiro OLDMDDEM Nov 2025 #37
My list of favorites: Shapiro, Goldman or Newsom. Paladin Nov 2025 #45
Dan Goldman? He has only served in the US House since 2023. Celerity Nov 2025 #51
Goldman is smart, accomplished, and has a great media presence. Paladin Nov 2025 #55
My concern about Shapiro: Upthevibe Nov 2025 #88
she won't win the general election rollin74 Nov 2025 #38
Have been very impressed... BH liberal Nov 2025 #41
Strident Critics Corktown Nov 2025 #63
Yes it is. We have the midterms to crush first, we should concentrate on that first. ms liberty Nov 2025 #42
Not yet. (She'll get there, but not this cycle.) aeromanKC Nov 2025 #44
Would love to see her elected. A lot can change by 2028, but don't see her doing well in most states. I'd vote for her. Silent Type Nov 2025 #46
Definition of "Insanity": Nominating A 3rd Woman For President...... ColoringFool Nov 2025 #47
No Greg_In_SF Nov 2025 #50
people need to come to terms Stacey Grove Nov 2025 #52
Secure the vote first Easterncedar Nov 2025 #53
Nope VanceFan Nov 2025 #54
How does she get to 270 electoral votes? fujiyamasan Nov 2025 #56
Yes ._. Nov 2025 #57
Nope. gulliver Nov 2025 #58
She needs to be VP krawhitham Nov 2025 #59
Kamala Harris was charismatic, articulate, had impeccable progressive credentials. betsuni Nov 2025 #60
My current favorite is... Mike Nelson Nov 2025 #61
We don't even know if she can win a statewide office yet. nt Blasphemer Nov 2025 #62
Republicans cheat. Chemical Bill Nov 2025 #64
AOC replaces Schumer as NY Senator in 2028. PufPuf23 Nov 2025 #66
Not my choice. Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #67
I like her, but seriously we HAVE to decisively win next time. Until we secure our democracy, I'd prefer that we avoid ecstatic Nov 2025 #70
Let's help AOC beat Chuck duckworth969 Nov 2025 #71
I think AOC should run for Schumer's Senate seat in 2028 red dog 1 Nov 2025 #73
No. We've had two female candidates and they both lost. Initech Nov 2025 #74
Newsom yes JustAnotherGen Nov 2025 #91
She needs to run and win as Senator first JI7 Nov 2025 #75
Fine with me but the Politics as Usual brigade will flood the media with ""Too Liberal" fears. Ping Tung Nov 2025 #78
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