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In reply to the discussion: oh COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [View all]dumbcat
(2,161 posts)65. A little more detail .....
.... from ChatGPT. I know a lot of people don't like or trust AI, including me in some areas, but I have found ChatGPT to be pretty accurate in RF and propagation areas.
Why OTH radars are sensitive
Over-the-horizon radars work very differently from conventional radars:
They operate in the high-frequency (HF) band (roughly 330 MHz).
They rely on surface-wave propagation along the ocean or ionospheric reflection to see hundreds or thousands of miles beyond line of sight.
They detect very weak Doppler signals from distant aircraft, ships, or missiles.
Because of this, they are unusually sensitive to large conductive objects near the sea surface.
How offshore wind turbines interfere
1. Strong radar clutter
Turbine towers and blades are excellent HF reflectors.
Rotating blades create Doppler shifts that look like moving targets.
Large wind farms can generate persistent false returns.
2. Masking of real targets
Clutter from turbines can hide or degrade detection of:
Low-flying aircraft
Cruise missiles
Surface vessels
This is especially serious for early-warning and maritime surveillance radars.
3. Surface-wave disruption
OTH surface-wave radars rely on smooth ocean propagation.
Turbine foundations disturb the electromagnetic boundary conditions along the sea surface.
Dense turbine fields can reduce signal coherence.
4. Multipath and phase distortion
Turbines create unpredictable reflections that:
Distort bearing accuracy
Reduce tracking reliability
Increase false alarms
Over-the-horizon radars work very differently from conventional radars:
They operate in the high-frequency (HF) band (roughly 330 MHz).
They rely on surface-wave propagation along the ocean or ionospheric reflection to see hundreds or thousands of miles beyond line of sight.
They detect very weak Doppler signals from distant aircraft, ships, or missiles.
Because of this, they are unusually sensitive to large conductive objects near the sea surface.
How offshore wind turbines interfere
1. Strong radar clutter
Turbine towers and blades are excellent HF reflectors.
Rotating blades create Doppler shifts that look like moving targets.
Large wind farms can generate persistent false returns.
2. Masking of real targets
Clutter from turbines can hide or degrade detection of:
Low-flying aircraft
Cruise missiles
Surface vessels
This is especially serious for early-warning and maritime surveillance radars.
3. Surface-wave disruption
OTH surface-wave radars rely on smooth ocean propagation.
Turbine foundations disturb the electromagnetic boundary conditions along the sea surface.
Dense turbine fields can reduce signal coherence.
4. Multipath and phase distortion
Turbines create unpredictable reflections that:
Distort bearing accuracy
Reduce tracking reliability
Increase false alarms
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Next, the thugs will attack land-based wind farms and solar arrays, all in a nod to the fossil fuel industry.
John1956PA
Dec 2025
#6
They better not touch Palm springs most of the electricity is generated by wind farms
kimbutgar
Dec 2025
#19
I love Palm Springs whenever we drive from the SF Bay Area to Arizona to visit my mother in law we stay overnight
kimbutgar
Dec 2025
#36
That billion dollar "contribution" Trump demanded from the extractive energy interests requires a lot of quid pro quo.
sop
Dec 2025
#33
Yeah, i don't know why the Orange Hellbeast would leave the land based wind farms alone.
ShazzieB
Dec 2025
#64
Thank you for posting. To me, a sixty-turbin wind facility would seem mammoth.
John1956PA
Dec 2025
#70
The Crackpot-in-Chief has a phobia. He's afraid of wind-generated energy. All the sheeple in MAGA are bleating and
Martin68
Dec 2025
#8
Scientists lol? I bet they dont even have good data from their own navy radar operators.
Volaris
Dec 2025
#22
Orsted, the company doing the northeast offshore wind project, is headquartered in...
debsy
Dec 2025
#20
Can we please get rid of the screaming toddlers and put the adults back in charge?
Initech
Dec 2025
#23