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usonian

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8. I don't think a guilt trip helps people change.

Fri Jan 9, 2026, 11:59 PM

Jan 9

A ton has gond on since. Good and bad.

People need to get excited, either out of "The new revolutionary Democratic Party" that we are building (or else we lose everything) or just plain rage at the destruction.

Guilt can nudge, but has no power.

Who will lead? People who are leading today. You know their names because they care so damn much that they are attacking fascism rather than waiting until it's "safe" to come out.

I/we want fighters.
I/we way winners.

Silence is damn near complicity.

It's not just because people have short memories. It's that change is massive and rapid.

You can't look back.
The battle is in front of us.

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I would like to ask all the people who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton [View all] MIButterfly Jan 9 OP

This is Democratic Underground. milestogo Jan 9 #1

Oh no, my post was not directed toward anybody here on DU; MIButterfly Jan 9 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 10 #10

Then why are you posting it here...? regnaD kciN Jan 10 #26

That's how I interpreted it, too. intheflow Jan 10 #40

Please see my responses #4 and #19. My comment was not directed to anyone here at DU. MIButterfly Jan 10 #61

They say a hit dog will holler. W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #64

Sadly, I find myself often having to defend Democrats against bullshit attacks here. W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #15

Does that include orangecrush Jan 10 #42

Sanders's good buddy? I defend the Democratic Party as a whole and don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #47

He is my Senator orangecrush Jan 10 #49

Time is limited and every minute you spend attacking Democrats is a minute Republicans thank you for your service. W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #50

Criticism and attacking orangecrush Jan 10 #53

Criticizing is disagreeing on an issue or policy SocialDemocrat61 Jan 10 #60

When one seems to spend all their time criticizing, it sure seems like attacking. W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #63

I'm trying to figure out what it is that you are doing with this minute and who it is helping most. Ilikepurple Jan 11 #88

Self Righteously lecturing others on how to act would also waste an equal amount of time SunImp Jan 10 #66

You think it's a waste of time trying to get people to focus on our real enemy rather than our imperfect allies? W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #83

Some of the people that need to realign and focus mr715 Jan 11 #95

There used to be some 'Democrats' here, that weren't. sheshe2 Jan 10 #16

And didn't that site eventually crash and burn? W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #27

Best evidence the site had nothing to do with progressive policy or progress of any kind: Elizabeth Warren. betsuni Jan 10 #33

Yep! W_HAMILTON Jan 10 #37

That site was funded by Putin as one part of the 2016 disinformation campaign. yardwork Jan 10 #39

Woah. Waaaay before I ever got here.. electric_blue68 Jan 11 #115

Yes indeed, it crashed and burned, sheshe2 Jan 10 #48

You would be wrong awesomerwb1 Jan 10 #82

There used to be plenty of them DFW Jan 11 #91

Nicest thing I ever saw anyone say about Hillary there was in an "esoteric theories" thread about Seth Rich: betsuni Jan 11 #98

lol, it's been awhile since anyone here has reproached people who didn't like Hillary Shellback Squid Jan 9 #2

It does go back to 2016. MIButterfly Jan 9 #5

I agree that the world would be in a different place karynnj Jan 10 #52

And it does go beyond "well I voted for her in the General Election" RandomNumbers Jan 10 #55

I would rather see articles that Kamala won, gab13by13 Jan 9 #3

This! Hope22 Jan 10 #30

Since no one can oversee the inner workings of the computers questionseverything Jan 10 #81

This again? Intractable Jan 9 #6

Yes. Cha Jan 10 #20

Thank you, Cha! MIButterfly Jan 10 #22

No Problem... We need to learn from Cha Jan 10 #24

How many people here do you think refused to vote for Hillary? iemanja Jan 9 #7

Well...a lot of them went to JPR (Jack Pine Radicals). sheshe2 Jan 10 #18

Out of curiosity.. Hope22 Jan 10 #31

Nope. Crashed. Burned. Died. sheshe2 Jan 10 #51

Thanks...nt Hope22 Jan 10 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 10 #32

I wasn't talking about the people here. MIButterfly Jan 10 #19

I know there were some Skittles Jan 10 #72

I don't think a guilt trip helps people change. usonian Jan 9 #8

It looks like some people can't let go of old battles SunImp Jan 10 #11

There were and are massive disinformation campaigns, and largely by bots. usonian Jan 10 #14

Those who fail from history SocialDemocrat61 Jan 10 #38

It's sad but we cannot change the past BoycottTwitter Jan 10 #9

Thank you, BoycottTwitter, for your very reasoned and reasonable response. MIButterfly Jan 10 #17

But We Can Work For a Better Future.. and Cha Jan 10 #21

I'm really glad that we'll have really good candidates in 2028 thought crime Jan 10 #12

One of the biggest missed opportunities of the 21st century. nt yaesu Jan 10 #13

Just watched on tubi Blind faith kimbutgar Jan 10 #23

Hillary had Putin's number. BurnDoubt Jan 10 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 10 #29

Fascinating election, should be far more studies about it. A perfect storm of mis/disinformation and other things. betsuni Jan 10 #28

I see a part of that as an evaluation of what didn't with with letting Shrub Jr and co off the hook. RockCreek Jan 11 #101

So people decided Trump was the way to go? Squeaky clean morally and ethically pure fight the power Trump? betsuni Jan 11 #112

Never saw that on DU RandiFan1290 Jan 10 #34

I would go back even further to 2000 Ghost of Tom Joad Jan 10 #35

Green Candidate Jill Stein SocialDemocrat61 Jan 10 #36

The Russian asset, Jill Stein, The Wizard Jan 10 #56

Ah yes, the "conscience voters" mcar Jan 10 #41

They weren't voting their conscience SocialDemocrat61 Jan 10 #45

That is 100% correct mcar Jan 10 #46

Whatever happened to all them Bernie Bros? GusBob Jan 10 #43

oh they are still around Skittles Jan 10 #73

I stood in line for 2 hours in freezing cold orangecrush Jan 10 #44

Criticism and support are complementary nt mr715 Jan 10 #70

I often think about this. pandr32 Jan 10 #54

I can't think of a more irrelevant discussion to have -- 10 years later. Duncan Grant Jan 10 #57

Those who fail to learn from history SocialDemocrat61 Jan 10 #59

And mr715 Jan 10 #74

Very true SocialDemocrat61 Jan 10 #76

We disagree sometimes mr715 Jan 10 #79

In any organization SocialDemocrat61 Jan 10 #80

Well, except where orthodoxy is required mr715 Jan 10 #84

Amen. Xavier Breath Jan 10 #65

In past threads like this SunImp Jan 10 #67

They do it to distract and divide us questionseverything Jan 10 #78

Distract from what? betsuni Jan 11 #89

100% The people who line up with SS tRump need to stop hiding their shame and own this. ffr Jan 10 #62

Part of it had nothing to do with Hillary Tree Lady Jan 10 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 10 #69

Wasn't anybody I knew Tree Lady Jan 10 #86

Young men have it all. mr715 Jan 11 #93

That is not true for my grandson Tree Lady Jan 11 #100

This is complicated mr715 Jan 11 #103

Thanks for the reply Tree Lady Jan 11 #106

It ain't easy being the good guys in a broken world. nt mr715 Jan 11 #107

In part mr715 Jan 10 #75

He still says the same things he has Tree Lady Jan 10 #87

How Bernie was treated -- does that mean when he was booed at the convention by his own delegates for endorsing betsuni Jan 11 #90

That really was gross nt mr715 Jan 11 #92

they don't care Skittles Jan 10 #71

IKR? So many seem to think a Democrat has to match them on Every. Single. Issue. to "earn" their vote. Beartracks Jan 10 #77

I speak for myself. mr715 Jan 11 #96

Trump is an idiot PJMcK Jan 10 #85

How about Nixon? Kid Berwyn Jan 11 #94

It is misogyny... Bettie Jan 11 #97

This post is not appropriate or helpful Grim Chieftain Jan 11 #99

I'm sorry you feel that way. MIButterfly Jan 11 #102

But you are dredging up past divisions - just read the comments. Grim Chieftain Jan 11 #105

What do you want from me? MIButterfly Jan 11 #109

Unity Grim Chieftain Jan 11 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 12 #116

I'm the opposite of a Triple Trumper AZProgressive Jan 11 #104

Hillary and Kamala tried to warn you LetMyPeopleVote Jan 11 #108

Or Kamala Harris. tblue37 Jan 11 #111

I'm fine with calling out Stein voters biocube Jan 11 #113

"By 2014 ... a New York Times/CBS poll found that 82% of Democrats favored Clinton over both Joe Biden betsuni Jan 12 #117

Check any news source from 2016... biocube Jan 12 #119

That was the direct result of attacks against her. Started high, slowly decreased over time. betsuni Jan 12 #120

I believe The Bopper Jan 11 #114

I've always wondered that had she been elected, what Presidents would have followed her? Polybius Jan 12 #118