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48. MaddowBlog-Vance escalates White House offensive against Pope Leo
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:45 PM
7 hrs ago

If the White House sees a political upside to its increasingly outlandish papal rebukes, it’s mistaken.

As JD Vance presses the pope to be “careful when he talks about matters of theology” — no, seriously, that’s what he said — a simple question hands overhead:

What exactly is the White House’s strategy here? Do Trump and Vance think the pope will be bullied into silence?
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Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-04-15T12:59:00.596Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/vance-trump-pope-catholic-church

Not to be outdone, his vice president — the first Catholic Republican to ever hold the office — has joined the rhetorical offensive.

On Monday night, JD Vance appeared on Fox News and insisted that “it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality … and let the president of the United States stick to dictating American public policy.” Putting aside the fact that the president isn’t supposed to be “dictating” anything, the Ohio Republican’s advice didn’t make a lot of sense: The pope drew Trump’s ire by speaking out on matters such as a deadly and destabilizing war in the Middle East and the plight of immigrants seeking a better life, both of which are, by any reasonable measure, “matters of morality.”

A day later, he upped the ante in an unexpected way. NBC News reported:

Vice President JD Vance said Tuesday that Pope Leo XIV should ‘be careful’ when he talks about theology, rebuking the pontiff over his criticisms of U.S. foreign policy.

Vance argued that the pope, who has said Jesus ‘is never on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs,’ was failing to take into account conflicts such as World War II
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....Do Trump and Vance believe Leo will be intimidated into silence? Are they trying to send a signal to other religious leaders opposed to the war? Do they believe they can discredit the pontiff, who enjoys stronger public support than they do? Do the Republicans think they’ll appear “tough” by picking a fight with the Vatican? Is this all some sort of elaborate distraction campaign?

I won’t pretend to know their motivation, but if Trump and Vance see a political upside to their increasingly outlandish papal scoldings, they’re mistaken.

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MAGA should see what he does to a microphone. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #36
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A war of aggression is clearly a matter of morality. David__77 Tuesday #3
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I'm so old, I gave the heads-up to Obama in January '09. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #37
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Vance uses a culturally deprived childhood to excuse war crimes. Kid Berwyn 5 hrs ago #51
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Pope Leo understood the shameful symbolism. Kid Berwyn 4 hrs ago #57
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To Which Pope Leo Should Reply: "I Am Doing So." ColoringFool Tuesday #21
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MaddowBlog-Vance escalates White House offensive against Pope Leo LetMyPeopleVote 7 hrs ago #48
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