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GreatGazoo

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44. No. For anyone holding a March contract at $63 their price in March was $63
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 07:16 AM
Jun 5

That is the whole point of futures. Risk reduction. They risk paying more than spot if prices go lower but that is offset by insuring they will not pay more if the price goes higher.

"the market seems to be buying" the admin's BS. No they aren't. The backwardation of futures prices is the result of a super complicated ethereal equation that factors and weights all the ways things could get worse against all the ways they could get better or stay the same. Oil went to $120 on uncertainty but declined as more information became available and events played out.

Turns out that even though "20% of oil flows through the Strait" there are other ways it can flow and other sources that can replace what is suppressed. Canada, Russia, Brazil and KSA are not constrained by whatever happens in the Strait and they all started pumping more and shipping via routes that don't involve the Strait. In the 1973 embargo 7% of oil was cut off and prices spiked, rationing went into effect, we all parked the Camaro and bought Hondas, etc. What is different now is that there is far more capacity to pump oil and very little of that capacity is constrained by the Strait. IOW 20% of flow is/was not 20% of oil production capacity. Prices went high enough to make other sources and routes profitable.

There is a scenario where oil prices crater (again, like April 2020) when the Strait is fully open because all this other capacity and production has ramped up.

Oil trading is overwhelming conducted by people who DO understand these things and have much better info than what is available to retail traders. Prices are declining because traders are seeing all the ways that production and transport is reacting to and overcoming the throttling of the Strait. Not because of anything Trump says or does not understand.

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The shit is on the wing orangecrush Jun 4 #1
The storage cushion is fudgy. bucolic_frolic Jun 4 #2
President Bone Spurs had a plan to get out of Vietnam. Emile Jun 4 #3
Daddy's not buying his way out of this one. dem4decades Jun 4 #4
From another perspective cachukis Jun 4 #5
there's definitely been some adaptation... but still a lot has been kept afloat by the reserves that are likely to run LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #27
No question. One of my worries is the takeover of cachukis Jun 4 #31
Absolutely. I totally agree on all those points. The stock market is particularly a mess IMO LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #32
Have invested mostly in real estate over the last cachukis Jun 4 #34
Why would " Diesel goes first"??? Melon Jun 4 #6
800,000 to 1.2 million SamuelTheThird Jun 4 #11
It's one country. Multiply across all oil producing Melon Jun 4 #41
Yes, but the key is how long the strait stays closed and how quickly the reserves run out LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #28
Diesel is often made from mideastern crude while gasoline is made from US crude JT45242 Jun 4 #30
Not In The US, Though ProfessorGAC Jun 5 #45
Completely wrong. GreatGazoo Jun 4 #7
lol@your link SamuelTheThird Jun 4 #10
You ignored all the numbers to nitpick about semantics GreatGazoo Jun 4 #15
Are America's strategic reserves at a 40 year low right before the summer season? SamuelTheThird Jun 4 #19
Traders in Singapore, Beijing and Mumbai aren't duped by whatever Trump says GreatGazoo Jun 4 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #29
Futures Are Not Delivery modrepub Jun 4 #39
"futures price contracts probably isn't a good predictor of actual future prices" -- meaning spot prices, yes GreatGazoo Jun 4 #42
Future Prices Are Not Necessarily modrepub Jun 5 #43
No. For anyone holding a March contract at $63 their price in March was $63 GreatGazoo Jun 5 #44
Appreciate your insight as I'm an admitted economic idiot. I can see where Exxon would be trying to "warn" Cheezoholic Jun 4 #21
Futures lock in a price right now GreatGazoo Jun 4 #22
Admittedly, Im no expert or even amateur...but SamuelTheThird Jun 4 #35
Since oil is sold as futures there is more profit when buyers panic about the future GreatGazoo Jun 4 #37
All hinging on a deal that isn't going to happen SamuelTheThird Jun 4 #38
Last week Exxon Mobil warned that oil inventories will fall to record low levels in coming weeks LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #33
Demand destruction WSHazel Jun 4 #8
"one of the key reasons that Trump started this conflict was to increase energy prices"-- agree LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #25
And it's all part of the plan... 2naSalit Jun 4 #9
Excellent summation. Kid Berwyn Jun 4 #12
I don't think the Strait of Hormuz never reopening is going to happen, but it will not reopen without a major shock ToxMarz Jun 4 #13
Agree. Thanks for the link. LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #24
Kick dalton99a Jun 4 #14
MAGA does the full collapse kairos12 Jun 4 #16
First the bastids want to grift off it, if they can. GreenWave Jun 4 #17
But I thouight it would be open in two weeks. AverageOldGuy Jun 4 #18
That's the point. Blue Full Moon Jun 4 #20
Unbelievably awful LymphocyteLover Jun 4 #23
It's happening now as we speak. marble falls Jun 4 #26
Remember that the UAE left OPEC a few weeks ago WSHazel Jun 4 #40
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