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16. Jeff9K - Excuse me but are you new to our planet?

Fri Aug 15, 2014, 11:41 AM

Aug 2014

Do you understand the carnage these weapons cause when they are in the hands of individuals that aren't in a combat zone? No amount of safety training for the donut munchers is going to override the swelling in their pants over having overwhelming superior firepower - why do you think so many ex-military go into law enforcement?? To serve and protect? I spent 6 years in the Marine Corps (71-77) as a battalion armorer and practically saw no one I thought should have had a weapon in their hands outside in the 'real' (civilian) world...

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The entire Democratic leadership opposed Grayson amendment to stop arming cops with DOD weapons [View all] Report1212 Aug 2014 OP

Big brother carries a big stick. chrisstopher Aug 2014 #1

If You Dont Think Grayson Can Win billhicks76 Aug 2014 #119

Hopefully they don't repeat the same mistake next time. nt conservaphobe Aug 2014 #2

They BETTER NOT repeat the same mistake next time. calimary Aug 2014 #5

It wasn't much of an issue at the time. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #8

Well, it damn well BETTER BE an issue this time. calimary Aug 2014 #12

Amen to that derby378 Aug 2014 #63

These armored vehicles have a price tag of $ 370,000 truedelphi Aug 2014 #109

All the way on the east coast, I feel for you! We don't usually identify Marin County as anything maddiemom Aug 2014 #130

... Vots Aug 2014 #21

Possibly. If nearly all the Dems voted in favor. JoeyT Aug 2014 #125

Oh, it was an issue, but the yellow stripe down so many Dems' ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2014 #23

We need strong police forces... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2014 #118

It was more kissing campaign contributions from the MIC and police support good-bye than Dustlawyer Aug 2014 #132

++++999,999 Vincardog Aug 2014 #135

Shame? Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #37

I say shame on them for going to this dark place. calimary Aug 2014 #43

Mary, I think you misread my meaning. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #45

Oh, probably... calimary Aug 2014 #139

That's so generous of you to call it a "mistake". cui bono Aug 2014 #72

+1 woo me with science Aug 2014 #137

When the people lead, the leaders will follow... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #3

Most politicians blow with the wind no matter which party. Seldom are politicians that have the RKP5637 Aug 2014 #7

I agree...sadly...nt joeybee12 Aug 2014 #11

Most politicians are vitally interested in performing their principal function, which is Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #42

Exactly! Well Said! Thanks! RKP5637 Aug 2014 #49

Grayson likely referred to Madison when he claimed "...one might venture to say that the weapons ancianita Aug 2014 #143

That's why the money has to start coming from us... Volaris Aug 2014 #131

...^ that 840high Aug 2014 #153

I find it interesting that this is one of very few issues that seem razorman Aug 2014 #4

+10 nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #15

RWers support it. Therefore, even if it's right, we must oppose it RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #25

" Democrats did form the bulk of support for the amendment " redqueen Aug 2014 #36

Well, specifically, the libertarian quadrants of the political map. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #47

Since most RW'ers and most of us LW'ers are in the same part of the truedelphi Aug 2014 #110

I agree. There are a few issues on which we can find agreement, I think. razorman Aug 2014 #171

You're conflating a few different issues Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #177

You are right that the issues are very different, although I do not believe razorman Aug 2014 #179

When we keep voting for people onecaliberal Aug 2014 #6

There's a typo in your title. I'm suspect you meant "Democratic" leadership. Scuba Aug 2014 #9

It is time for the entire Democratic leadership to change their mind - they have no right to arm the jwirr Aug 2014 #10

"Militarization" is a buzz word. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #13

LOL....... you forgot the sarcasm meme Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #14

You sound like an all-or-nothing conservative. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #29

'You sound like an all-or-nothing conservative Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #31

It's hard to argue with the logic of the article linked within the linked article: JEFF9K Aug 2014 #35

You only have to look at what happened when the State Police, not pointing rifles, without snipers, dbackjon Aug 2014 #48

How many casualties ... JEFF9K Aug 2014 #62

the police used that equipment to intimidate the people of neverforget Aug 2014 #67

In other words ... JEFF9K Aug 2014 #69

Nor do you. dbackjon Aug 2014 #91

What a smart-alecky comment! JEFF9K Aug 2014 #93

And you asked a poster above to prove a negative. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #158

In other words, you just don't care about the protesters, just the cops. neverforget Aug 2014 #108

That quote is from a LEO, what do you think they are going to say? cui bono Aug 2014 #104

The fact that Ferguson's representative Clay voted for the amendment should tell you something ancianita Aug 2014 #144

Because in large measure, it IS fucking "black and white." Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #44

You either don't understand the concept of "black-and-white" or you are trying to ... JEFF9K Aug 2014 #56

Still trying to come up with a response to this one, are ya? Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #116

Indeed malaise Aug 2014 #97

Jeff9K - Excuse me but are you new to our planet? NoMoreRepugs Aug 2014 #16

Your two posts contradict each other.... KoKo Aug 2014 #22

"Militarization" includes an extensive array of DEFENSIVE products. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #39

the DEFENSIVE products are being used for OFFENSE, exclusivley frylock Aug 2014 #54

Got any examples? JEFF9K Aug 2014 #58

compare and contrast.. frylock Aug 2014 #64

In no way does that prove that ... JEFF9K Aug 2014 #70

what it does show is that this equipment is entirely unneccessary in this situation frylock Aug 2014 #71

You are wrong. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #78

how does that comport with the demonstrations last night vs wednesday night? frylock Aug 2014 #80

YOU should give it a rest. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #86

what is it that you're afraid of that you would invite tactical units into your neighborhood? frylock Aug 2014 #141

Those armored vehicles they created for the Iraq war. cui bono Aug 2014 #76

How many people were injured or killed by these vehicles in Ferguson? JEFF9K Aug 2014 #81

Oh, so now you've upped your ante. cui bono Aug 2014 #83

It's YOU that's playing word games. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #87

No. I am not playing games and I am not defending the militarization of our police forces. cui bono Aug 2014 #88

Intimidation factor? JEFF9K Aug 2014 #95

What grasping at straws is that? cui bono Aug 2014 #96

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc? LanternWaste Aug 2014 #120

Posse Comitatus 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #18

What does that have to do with THIS situation? JEFF9K Aug 2014 #74

The spirit of this Act is counter to militarizing local police forces. 99th_Monkey Aug 2014 #90

"safety forces" IDemo Aug 2014 #19

You are denying that the police are called "safety forces?" JEFF9K Aug 2014 #30

Call them purple magic dragons IDemo Aug 2014 #34

I think you're missing the bigger picture. lark Aug 2014 #20

How many victims of "militarization" have there been in Ferguson? JEFF9K Aug 2014 #33

none anymore, since the local cops have been relieved of duty frylock Aug 2014 #55

How many before that? JEFF9K Aug 2014 #59

you mean how many were hit with rubber bullets or were subjected to gas canisters? frylock Aug 2014 #66

The SAME protestors? JEFF9K Aug 2014 #89

Wow. You are actually arguing for militarization. cui bono Aug 2014 #85

I'm in America. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #92

Why did you make a point of stating you are in America? cui bono Aug 2014 #94

A battleship gifted to coastal city police force... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #121

I haven't seen the injury count lark Aug 2014 #180

of course you don't.. frylock Aug 2014 #51

"Better-armed criminals"? Bull. Fucking. Shit. NickB79 Aug 2014 #126

Safety Forces? Look at this picture (Graphic Warning) NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #136

So every small town needs a flame thrower and tank? drynberg Aug 2014 #155

States have armies, they're called the National Guard... Hippo_Tron Aug 2014 #157

Yay for the Safety Tank! Marr Aug 2014 #163

Only 43 Dems and 19 Repubs voted for Grayson's Amendment.... KoKo Aug 2014 #17

Purge Hillary,Hoyer, Feinstein, Pelosi etc billhicks76 Aug 2014 #146

Purge Purge Purge Purge Purge Purge them all! stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #150

Primary Challenges billhicks76 Aug 2014 #165

too many people only give a shit about looking cool in their Democratic party letterman jacket. frylock Aug 2014 #168

I Noticed In College billhicks76 Aug 2014 #169

. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #170

Lame And Worthless billhicks76 Aug 2014 #172

smug and sanctimonious. stonecutter357 Aug 2014 #174

Yawn billhicks76 Aug 2014 #175

Now watch some Right Winger give a list of all Dems that voted for it.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #24

Sure would be nice if Democrats would act like Democrats (like Grayson, Kucinich, et al) Roland99 Aug 2014 #26

Ain't that the truth. nt Nay Aug 2014 #50

The party labels stay the same while the ideals change. Happened before and it's happening now. L0oniX Aug 2014 #101

One corporate party - two faces. Wake up America! polichick Aug 2014 #27

Too bad we can't rec posts. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2014 #123

That shows me that Grayson was smarter than ladjf Aug 2014 #28

He's a fearless truth teller Ichingcarpenter Aug 2014 #32

I, amazed on learning how many small town police departments are being given maddiemom Aug 2014 #38

Oh, meant to say: I can't wait for the day our local police force are equipped with tanks to maddiemom Aug 2014 #40

Extremely important! H2O Man Aug 2014 #41

I certainly hope there's a motion to reconsider Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #46

No Shock At All colsohlibgal Aug 2014 #52

let's punish them by voting twice as hard! MisterP Aug 2014 #53

GOTV! frylock Aug 2014 #57

With the ability of some of the weapons to be purchased there may be times when the extra equipment Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #60

A sensible response! JEFF9K Aug 2014 #65

End the failed drug war and not only will they not need this hardware but we'll find TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #159

The incident i was talking aboit was a bank robbery. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #160

Bullshit, semiautomatic weapons have been available for generations. Stop the excuses. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #161

I have not made excuses, this is reality, would you want to step out in a Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #162

What movie did you see this in? What you describe is pretty much nonexistent. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #166

Yeas and Nays merrily Aug 2014 #61

Thanks for the link! Dems to Win Aug 2014 #100

You are welcome. I am of the view that merrily Aug 2014 #102

"...even if you somehow know the name and number of the bill" woo me with science Aug 2014 #173

There's about 2% difference btwn the DEMS and the GOP, but militarizing the Police Force isn't part blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #68

Alan Grayson, lovemydog Aug 2014 #73

k&r avaistheone1 Aug 2014 #75

DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #77

Follow the money. Look at the congresspersons, then look at their districts. MADem Aug 2014 #79

feed the pig hibbing Aug 2014 #107

Jobs are usually a factor, but Ferguson's own representative Clay voted for the amendment, ancianita Aug 2014 #145

I'll bet there isn't a single pork barrel enterprise MADem Aug 2014 #148

Actually, google shows a few within commuting distance of Ferguson. ancianita Aug 2014 #151

All politics is local. MADem Aug 2014 #152

Just another reason for me to not give the national party the time of day, much less money. hobbit709 Aug 2014 #82

I wish Grayson would run for President n/t betterdemsonly Aug 2014 #84

Has anyone considered the possibility that Grayson's amendment is not a good idea. JEFF9K Aug 2014 #98

Yes. I live in Boston, land of the Marathon attack. I considered that and rejected. merrily Aug 2014 #103

This party is just about dead to me. L0oniX Aug 2014 #99

Barbara Lee speaks for me. Dems to Win Aug 2014 #105

She voted no on Iraq, too. (Was that the time she was the only "no" vote in merrily Aug 2014 #111

She Voted NO on Afghanistan and Iraq Dems to Win Aug 2014 #113

AUMF = War on Terror. merrily Aug 2014 #114

I can understand why some Dinos buckled DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #106

It was not some DINOs. It was most House Democrats. merrily Aug 2014 #112

my point being DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #115

None. Same no excuse for all of the House Democrats who voted against it. merrily Aug 2014 #124

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #117

They must vote their oligarchy masters wishes. riverbendviewgal Aug 2014 #122

How is the MIC supposed to turn a profit if the Military doesn't "surplus" equipment Thor_MN Aug 2014 #127

Once again, thank you Rep. Grayson for continuing to bring common sense to an increasingly insane maddiemom Aug 2014 #128

Oxymoron Fuddnik Aug 2014 #129

one word... Corruption. Agony Aug 2014 #133

Just as with the Iraq war vote, they are all too scared of being tblue37 Aug 2014 #134

I think that sabbat hunter Aug 2014 #138

Grenade launchers are used by police Savannahmann Aug 2014 #142

Lets face it folks . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #140

Grayson for President. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #147

Corruption New Deal Liberal Aug 2014 #149

WTF is wrong with these idiots we put in charge. SmittynMo Aug 2014 #154

They are all rat fuckers. Neither side of the aisle care one bit about us little people. Hotler Aug 2014 #156

It's clear that neither party is interested in promoting the interests of the common folk. Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #164

They are also on College Campuses malaise Aug 2014 #167

+1 And this Democratic administration has actively resurrected and expanded the programs. woo me with science Aug 2014 #176

Sad that so many congresscritters fear the dreaded Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #178

kick woo me with science Aug 2014 #181

kick woo me with science Aug 2014 #182