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In reply to the discussion: It's OK to be an atheist [View all]Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)175. It’s funny how inconvenient my lack of faith as a bereaved mother can be for those on the outside.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/24/please_stop_telling_me_my_daughter_is_in_heaven/
My daughter was born three years ago. I went into pre-term labor at 22 weeks gestation, and try as they might, the doctors could not keep her here with us. Her short life, just eight hours long, has marked my life and my husbands life deeply. Margaret Hope (or Maggie, as we refer to her) continues to exist with us in her own way, but this persistence has absolutely nothing to do with god or Jesus or angels or any other specific afterworld. This is what works for us as parents. Its what works for about two percent of the U.S. population who currently identify as atheists, and for about 20 percent who are agnostic or unaffiliated with any particular set of beliefs.
Being an atheist in a believers world can be difficult at times, especially when some of the more fervently religious are close family or friends. Its even more daunting when faced with grief and death. Christians believe that when we die, we either go to heaven or hell. Many, of course, believe babies go to heaven because they are, well, babies. When our daughter died, my husband requested to have our baby baptized, fearing in some way for her soul, a remnant of his Catholic upbringing. There was no time for a traditional baptism while she was alive but her NICU doctor performed the rite for her while we held her in our arms for the first time, our tiny, frail, lifeless daughter whose eyes never even got a chance to see. It felt bizarre to me, but I allowed it because my husband was suffering and it seemed to bring him some comfort. Later, as reality hit harder, he would lose all faith as I had done.
(. . .)
The thing is, though, if you tell someone of faith that you dont believe your child is in heaven, youre met with confusion, or sad looks, or sometimes even a bit of anger. People dont understand how or why you wouldnt want to believe that your child is in a better place. Quite often, they take it as a personal attack on their belief when its really more about being honest about your own grief. Its funny how inconvenient my lack of faith as a bereaved mother can be for those on the outside. (Actually, its not funny at all.)
I sought out support groups in my area, but could not find any that were not held within a church. I did not feel comfortable going to one of these places for fear of verbally assaulting anyone who might suggest my daughter had earned her angel wings. It made me want to shake people until they realized that maybe she died simply because people die. Maybe she died because there were errors made in the care I received at the hospital I visited twice in the week before she died, where those who saw me shrugged off that I was spotting without reason. Maybe she died because I was unable to visit a new doctor because the office refused to see me without receiving the paperwork from my previous doctor in Miami, whose office continuously forgot to fax over my records, leaving me without regular medical care for weeks. Maybe she died because I had experienced tremendous stress after being fired from my job due to early pregnancy complications that required me to miss work, causing me to go on Medicaid in the first place, resulting in the aforementioned doctor shuffle. Maybe she died because of any other reason except that it was gods will. Maybe it was more about socio-economics and my own personal health than about imaginary lords in the sky.
Being an atheist in a believers world can be difficult at times, especially when some of the more fervently religious are close family or friends. Its even more daunting when faced with grief and death. Christians believe that when we die, we either go to heaven or hell. Many, of course, believe babies go to heaven because they are, well, babies. When our daughter died, my husband requested to have our baby baptized, fearing in some way for her soul, a remnant of his Catholic upbringing. There was no time for a traditional baptism while she was alive but her NICU doctor performed the rite for her while we held her in our arms for the first time, our tiny, frail, lifeless daughter whose eyes never even got a chance to see. It felt bizarre to me, but I allowed it because my husband was suffering and it seemed to bring him some comfort. Later, as reality hit harder, he would lose all faith as I had done.
(. . .)
The thing is, though, if you tell someone of faith that you dont believe your child is in heaven, youre met with confusion, or sad looks, or sometimes even a bit of anger. People dont understand how or why you wouldnt want to believe that your child is in a better place. Quite often, they take it as a personal attack on their belief when its really more about being honest about your own grief. Its funny how inconvenient my lack of faith as a bereaved mother can be for those on the outside. (Actually, its not funny at all.)
I sought out support groups in my area, but could not find any that were not held within a church. I did not feel comfortable going to one of these places for fear of verbally assaulting anyone who might suggest my daughter had earned her angel wings. It made me want to shake people until they realized that maybe she died simply because people die. Maybe she died because there were errors made in the care I received at the hospital I visited twice in the week before she died, where those who saw me shrugged off that I was spotting without reason. Maybe she died because I was unable to visit a new doctor because the office refused to see me without receiving the paperwork from my previous doctor in Miami, whose office continuously forgot to fax over my records, leaving me without regular medical care for weeks. Maybe she died because I had experienced tremendous stress after being fired from my job due to early pregnancy complications that required me to miss work, causing me to go on Medicaid in the first place, resulting in the aforementioned doctor shuffle. Maybe she died because of any other reason except that it was gods will. Maybe it was more about socio-economics and my own personal health than about imaginary lords in the sky.
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Fumesucker
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It’s funny how inconvenient my lack of faith as a bereaved mother can be for those on the outside.
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Would that stop people making cruel comments about your deceased being in "a better place"?
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