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oberliner

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51. Obviously it is

Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:30 AM

Mar 2016

The idea that "standing idly by" and attempting to shut down all of Trump's speeches are the only two options is, by its very definition, a false choice.

There are many other things that one can do besides those two options.

Lots of ways to speak out, as I pointed out above, while still letting his speeches go on.

Protest outside. Hold another rally next door at the same time. Spread the truth on social media.

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Do even the most odious among us, including incipient fascists, Trump, have a right to free speech [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 OP

That's the point of free speech. TreasonousBastard Mar 2016 #1

Free speech doesn't extend to yelling fire in a crowded theater or inciting a riot EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #2

That's the holding of Brandenburg V Ohio. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #31

UNCOMFORTABLE?? annabanana Mar 2016 #60

HE'S TELLING PPL AT HIS RALLIES TO BEAT UP PROTESTORS MuttLikeMe Mar 2016 #64

So... Telling his supporters to beat up protesters is merely "making us uncomfortable"? EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #66

Until they do and they did malaise Mar 2016 #97

And the point is rock Mar 2016 #94

You're seriously wrong about that. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #98

The protestors do and they have a right to not be punched in the face underpants Mar 2016 #3

BTW, the person who punched the protestor at the Trump event was arrested. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #6

Yeah I know underpants Mar 2016 #14

. . . . eventually, after the clip went viral. . .n/t annabanana Mar 2016 #61

Exactly - without the video & intervention from the outside world noamnety Mar 2016 #76

yep marions ghost Mar 2016 #111

Only because video was released... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #148

Anti-Trump protestors don't have a right to be violent. WinkyDink Mar 2016 #89

Were they in Chicago? They haven't been anywhere else underpants Mar 2016 #118

No angels on either side. But without the protestors would there have been any violence? WinkyDink Mar 2016 #129

Blaming the victims ? underpants Mar 2016 #141

So do protestors. octoberlib Mar 2016 #4

+1 daleanime Mar 2016 #62

I agree, but protestors don't always "peaceably assemble." Anyway, lest we forget: WinkyDink Mar 2016 #91

Sure, and others have the right of free speech to disrupt and shout him down. Chan790 Mar 2016 #5

Actually you don't have a right to disrupt and shout-down someone at their event. PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #7

It's not illegal. Chan790 Mar 2016 #16

Well "civil disobedience" can be effective even if it is illegal. Whether one can be removed... PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #29

but they aren't being removed for what they said treestar Mar 2016 #18

Would you have the same response if right wingers disrupted a Sanders rally in a similar way? oberliner Mar 2016 #17

I would think so treestar Mar 2016 #19

Yup. Chan790 Mar 2016 #20

I think candidates for president should be allowed to give speeches oberliner Mar 2016 #25

You're in favor of bushco 'free speech zones', aren't you? Ick. X_Digger Mar 2016 #83

I had exactly the same reaction. thank you. berningman Mar 2016 #88

No, of course not oberliner Mar 2016 #90

Have fun walking it back. We saw it. n/t X_Digger Mar 2016 #107

Why are you suddenly so concerned about Trumps right to free speech? tularetom Mar 2016 #8

I am defending everybody's right to free speech. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #12

Protesters were exercising their free speech. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #123

I would defend anybody's right to be heard. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #127

And who makes the decision as to who has the right, who does not and pampango Mar 2016 #9

He has the right to say all of that Chemisse Mar 2016 #11

T-rump will probably become stronger among his supporters as more of hero Iliyah Mar 2016 #26

what would it be like if marions ghost Mar 2016 #125

His sentiments are odious and will be rejected in the marketplace of ideas. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #15

Trump gets heard more than anyone else anywhere Enrique Mar 2016 #10

Yes. peacebird Mar 2016 #13

Not on D.U. --- if your posts criticize St. Hillary the Annointed, you get hidden. Hoppy Mar 2016 #21

No they don't leftofcool Mar 2016 #24

Wow - this is preposterous oberliner Mar 2016 #35

Sure he does. So do the protestors. Glitterati Mar 2016 #22

Points DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #28

Yes. treestar Mar 2016 #23

Yes they do. leftofcool Mar 2016 #27

Yes, and we have the right to protest against those incipient fascists. DCBob Mar 2016 #30

Shutting down political rallies is OK? oberliner Mar 2016 #37

Yes, yes, and yes Glitterati Mar 2016 #40

False choice oberliner Mar 2016 #42

No, it's not. Glitterati Mar 2016 #49

Obviously it is oberliner Mar 2016 #51

Tsk, tsk, tsk, behave nicely children Glitterati Mar 2016 #53

Trump will not be president. The better angels of the American people will prevent that. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #58

Bwahahahahahaha! Glitterati Mar 2016 #59

Yeah, my old man was awarded a Purple Heart for being blinded in one eye and contacting malaria... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #63

Then you need to wake the hell up and recognize this little Hitler Glitterati Mar 2016 #65

The people will reject him at the ballot box. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #67

And, in the meantime, continue to call him out Glitterati Mar 2016 #70

I don't think I am one of the TSK, TSK ers... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #72

Yet, throughout this thread you've done EXACTLY that Glitterati Mar 2016 #73

You do not grasp in the slightest what American democracy is about. Trump has legitimately won WinkyDink Mar 2016 #109

Wow, amazing Glitterati Mar 2016 #110

Agree and disagree. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #55

Bullshit! You cannot know that. More tsk, tsk, tsk, behave children Glitterati Mar 2016 #56

Um, shutting down political rallies IS Fascist. And you raise a false comparison. Chicago was a WinkyDink Mar 2016 #102

Chickenshit Trump shut it down, NOT THE PROTESTORS Glitterati Mar 2016 #105

Do you not even read what you post? "Yes, yes, yes" to the question "Shutting down political rallies WinkyDink Mar 2016 #108

I know exactly what I said Glitterati Mar 2016 #113

Then your above reply to me is a non sequitur. WinkyDink Mar 2016 #115

That's where the balance will/should come in. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #41

In this case yes. DCBob Mar 2016 #43

Make the case without preventing him from speaking at his own events oberliner Mar 2016 #45

There is no defending this lunatic. DCBob Mar 2016 #46

Agreed oberliner Mar 2016 #52

I can see both sides of the argument... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #69

Damn right it is MuttLikeMe Mar 2016 #71

Undercover Nazi rallies? oberliner Mar 2016 #92

Thank you! No one wants to seem to give Trump a platform for him to get his message out FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #32

oh I get it now Enrique Mar 2016 #33

Not everything needs to be viewed through a Bernie v. Hillary prism oberliner Mar 2016 #38

of course not Enrique Mar 2016 #95

Free speech means the government can't shut you up or arrest you. It has nothing to do with private m-lekktor Mar 2016 #34

I'm always hearing on the DU about MLK Iliyah Mar 2016 #36

Trump has a right to speak, people have a right to protest. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #39

From a purely partisan perspective it's great. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #44

Trump is treating America like his own reality TV show. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #47

His devotees will love it but most Americans don't want four or eight years of chaos./nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #50

You seriously underestimate the stupidity of the American ppl MuttLikeMe Mar 2016 #74

No and no. I just question their numbers... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #75

Trump decided not to speak awake Mar 2016 #48

+1 DCBob Mar 2016 #93

first amend ment artyteacher Mar 2016 #54

Trump canceled his own rally: his speech his choice alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #57

That's what he claims but it was CPD and the Secret Service who shut it down elehhhhna Mar 2016 #78

CPD shut it down? alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #81

CPD did NOT do so. It was chickenshit Trump Glitterati Mar 2016 #86

That's what I thought...In was responding to this previous poster who said CPD shut it down alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #96

I can't turn on my tv or go online w/o hearing this windbag... lame54 Mar 2016 #68

^^this^^ salinsky Mar 2016 #80

What a total crock. Do you think we should have a limit to our speech? WinkyDink Mar 2016 #101

we already do... lame54 Mar 2016 #106

No, you weren't speaking of "fire, theatre," blah blah. You were speaking of TIME and AMOUNT. WinkyDink Mar 2016 #112

I'm completely lost... lame54 Mar 2016 #122

"He has more speech than any of us." What is "more speech" to mean, in a democracy? Are there WinkyDink Mar 2016 #133

then take a nap... lame54 Mar 2016 #145

Everyone should, but there's always been that human impulse to shut people up Hydra Mar 2016 #77

Free speech includes inciting and encouraging violence? noiretextatique Mar 2016 #79

This is not a Free Speech issue. We are past that. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #82

I can't beleive how stunningly anti-democracy this post is. Do you think your attitude looks good on WinkyDink Mar 2016 #100

If Bernie Sanders starts spewing Anti-American hate speech, IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #130

Conservatives have spoken enough Matrosov Mar 2016 #84

That's pretty darn Fascist. WinkyDink Mar 2016 #99

Protesters do not impede free speech CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #85

Yes. Everything short of the delineated "incitement to riot". WinkyDink Mar 2016 #87

I'd rather know what they are thinking. raging moderate Mar 2016 #103

I don't agree with it. vdogg Mar 2016 #104

Trump called it off because of the violence and potential for more. And that prudence makes him a WinkyDink Mar 2016 #114

Are...are you defending Trump? vdogg Mar 2016 #147

As long as the Government does not try to suppress his speech his Right is intact. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #116

"Messy"? Is that you, Donald "Democracy is messy" Rumsfeld? Man, when we start parroting Right- WinkyDink Mar 2016 #119

Give me a list of allowed words (ironic that) and I'll dutifully toe the line. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #126

It was famously uttered by Rummy; sorry you don't remember. You want IRONY? READ THIS THREAD. WinkyDink Mar 2016 #138

Execpt for hyperspecific words you personally find obejctionable. TalkingDog Mar 2016 #139

And the expected *crickets* TalkingDog Mar 2016 #144

The problem with the OP query is the clairvoyant assumption of the words "incipient Fascist." WinkyDink Mar 2016 #117

The Government didn't shut down his free speech. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #120

There is always an exception to the rule. Lint Head Mar 2016 #121

THERE IS NO EXCEPTION TO THE RULE OF POLITICAL FREE SPEECH HERE. WinkyDink Mar 2016 #124

There are exceptions. Lint Head Mar 2016 #134

Agree but I'm going to go dark JustAnotherGen Mar 2016 #128

Yep. This is why we must endure the likes of Rush Limbaugh on the radio. Cleita Mar 2016 #131

I don't see this as a 1st amendment issue gwheezie Mar 2016 #132

See, the problem is the word "confront." WinkyDink Mar 2016 #136

For once, in a long time, I agree with you. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #135

Yes. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #137

I am matrilineally Jewish... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #140

Exactly! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #142

It does make Trump look like the chaos candidate and that's good for us... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #143

why is this even a question? Macattack1 Mar 2016 #146

Of course liberalfromaustin21 Mar 2016 #149