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PatrickforO

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66. I beg to differ. Bernie got the discussion going, and more and more people

Wed Oct 25, 2017, 12:52 AM

Oct 2017

are taking it up. Ten years ago, it was death to talk about 'single payer.' We got Obamacare because that is what we could get.

But now, everyone's talking Medicare for all Americans, maybe even starting by reducing the age of eligibility to 55.

I will ask you the same thing I ask everyone who opines some version of 'realpolitik' when it comes to social programs that would make our lives substantially better.

Why is it impossible? Why never? If enough of us pressure Congress, then it may have a chance. But we've got to keep trying because it is the right thing to do. We should not even be having this argument - if our government really was 'of, by and for' us, the people, then those we elect would strive to do the right thing for the people, and not big business. We would have a more merciful society, one where it is not oppressive for a majority of the people as it is now. What is wrong with that?

Every time you tell me how it IS, I will answer with my vision of how it OUGHT TO BE.

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Bernie Sanders becomes most popular national politician, most favored by minorities [View all] LittleBlue Oct 2017 OP

The Observer is owned by Jared Kushner. JaneQPublic Oct 2017 #1

Does he own the Harvard poll? nt LittleBlue Oct 2017 #2

Someone does Not Ruth Oct 2017 #4

Its a tough group. Don't take it personally. rgbecker Oct 2017 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Oct 2017 #8

Some of us are not naive about Kushner. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #13

Nobody here is throwing Sanders "under the bus". progressoid Oct 2017 #44

So? emulatorloo Oct 2017 #46

Not talking about normal criticism. progressoid Oct 2017 #70

IMHO Having a man open a women's convention was a poor decision emulatorloo Oct 2017 #72

Those feelings are understandable HerbChestnut Oct 2017 #145

Fair enough. Seems like I saw some of both emulatorloo Oct 2017 #152

Indeed. PatrickforO Oct 2017 #60

"He's a popular punching bag DU." SO TRUE. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2017 #155

That is more true than you realize. murielm99 Oct 2017 #23

Are you implying that Kushner's poll is FAKE NEWS? politicaljunkie41910 Oct 2017 #49

Banana murielm99 Oct 2017 #57

Controlled release no less. ucrdem Oct 2017 #147

Truth is truth no matter whose mouth it comes out of, and PatrickforO Oct 2017 #61

"His" message murielm99 Oct 2017 #63

You believe everything Jared Kushner says? Ok. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #11

The Harvard poll doesn't say what you claim it does. pnwmom Oct 2017 #35

Of *course* it doesn't! The whole thing is so silly and contrived. NurseJackie Oct 2017 #114

And yet it keeps coming back to haunt us, over and over. pnwmom Oct 2017 #133

Two reasons: NurseJackie Oct 2017 #137

Thank you. cwydro Oct 2017 #123

Steve Bannon is #11 on the popularity list, lapucelle Oct 2017 #146

How can you say ANY of them were more popular than Obama and Biden pnwmom Oct 2017 #148

That's exactly my point. lapucelle Oct 2017 #149

This is the sentence that confused me: pnwmom Oct 2017 #150

I was being ironic. lapucelle Oct 2017 #151

Current publisher is Kushners brother-in-law... VOX Oct 2017 #69

Yes, while Jared is still Owner. JaneQPublic Oct 2017 #84

Is Flynn on Jared's payroll? lapucelle Oct 2017 #95

+1 (NT) JaneQPublic Oct 2017 #125

Good catch. nt ucrdem Oct 2017 #101

Right Me. Oct 2017 #3

Sanders is our version of Trump Motownman78 Oct 2017 #5

Some day the US will join the advanced countries of the world and offer Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #19

What does that have to do with the OP? George II Oct 2017 #54

Sure...it will happen tomorrow...we had 60 votes in the Senate, the House, and the presidency and Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #105

Sadly it won't happen tomorrow. But will have to happen if we wish to stay a Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #121

We can use the ACA to get a system similar to Germany...I think we have a shot at that..and it will Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #122

I beg to differ. Bernie got the discussion going, and more and more people PatrickforO Oct 2017 #66

Why, because there is another Motownman78 Oct 2017 #80

Discussion that will lead nowhere...I wish it wasn't so. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #106

that doesn't make any sense. They feel free to attack it because they are afraid of what it might JCanete Oct 2017 #131

If we support single payer in 18, we run the risk of having the GOP using it against us as Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #134

That is not accurate at all. First, Trump has proven just how powerful the President actually is, JCanete Oct 2017 #74

It is the same Motownman78 Oct 2017 #79

Again, really off-base in terms of what the left demands. Compromise in message is different JCanete Oct 2017 #85

This. So much this. Kentonio Oct 2017 #97

OH, good. Bernie's a corporate fascist know-nothing who's in over his head? HughBeaumont Oct 2017 #96

Lol. Harvard Harris again? Haven't they been proven to skew their polling to create an outcome? Wwcd Oct 2017 #6

Really? GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #9

Hmmm. Not a good try. Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #10

Heads are spinning in the bowels of DNC head quarters CentralMass Oct 2017 #12

More like ROFL Wwcd Oct 2017 #41

Why? George II Oct 2017 #55

Heads are IN Plucketeer Oct 2017 #73

Independents outnumber Democrats by over a third Not Ruth Oct 2017 #14

FWIW Not every independent is liberal/progressive. A fair amt are conservative reactionaries emulatorloo Oct 2017 #17

Not saying you're wrong, just trying to understand your point... which is? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #26

Poster seems to be saying all the 42 percent independents are liberal/progressives emulatorloo Oct 2017 #29

Ohh okay, gotcha. Independents clearly have a range of views, on varying issues, InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #33

Not in this poll they don't. There were considerably more Democrats than Independents. pnwmom Oct 2017 #27

Hillary had higher favorability in 2013, 3 years before the next Presidential election stevenleser Oct 2017 #15

Incredibly high favor ability right up to her announcing a run. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #21

When the GOP have three (or in Hillary's case more) years to focus on the leading Democratic stevenleser Oct 2017 #28

Yep. It's too bad the election wasn't held in 2013 Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #53

Or 1981. George II Oct 2017 #56

Let me be the first to say I don't give a rip leftofcool Oct 2017 #16

Most favored by minorities? LexVegas Oct 2017 #18

Against trump who wouldn't be most favored by POCs? Most of us here would be too. brush Oct 2017 #34

Clearly the pollsters are lying about their results, because we all know that what established JCanete Oct 2017 #75

I know I don't believe that poll either...going to look at the internals...and see. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #110

Banana murielm99 Oct 2017 #20

Bad Bernie, wants education, healthcare, clean food and water. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #22

So do lots of other people. murielm99 Oct 2017 #24

I hear you, but I have been busy defending Hillary all day. Bernie deserves Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #31

This thread is about the poll. murielm99 Oct 2017 #36

Many apologies, please feel free at anytime to delete my posts if off topic. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #37

Ignore the haters/dividers. DLevine Oct 2017 #100

other posters here have no power to delete your posts for being off topic Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #141

Not THIS again! Read the Harvard poll. They only compared 4 Democrats along with Bernie pnwmom Oct 2017 #25

Considering his name recognition its a very low score. Hillary was generally 10 points higher stevenleser Oct 2017 #30

Agreed. And I wonder why they don't include Joe Biden in this poll? pnwmom Oct 2017 #32

Regarding Bernie... bagelsforbreakfast Oct 2017 #38

Change? murielm99 Oct 2017 #39

Change vs. same old same old - not a surprise n/m bagelsforbreakfast Oct 2017 #40

Change will happen only by electing Democrats...and we are a center left country...so we won't get Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #116

It's also why they voted for Obama. shanny Oct 2017 #86

This is my point: murielm99 Oct 2017 #87

Damn. shanny Oct 2017 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author murielm99 Oct 2017 #89

Yeah, okay. NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #42

Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #50

Thats some rightwing bull crap there. revmclaren Oct 2017 #62

Bernie said he lost fair and square. So fuck that fake-ass Assange and Putin CT noise. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #67

He started that race expecting to get about 5% of the vote Kentonio Oct 2017 #98

Yes, it would be fascinating ... NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #142

He was not rejected, Clinton was put forward. Using that kind of language is silly. And Sanders JCanete Oct 2017 #136

Sure, mm hmm, okay. NanceGreggs Oct 2017 #144

Not hardly. HRC totally whooped his ass. Not to mention this fantasy has been debunked. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #43

Russians stirring the ole Shitpot! Cryptoad Oct 2017 #45

* Wwcd Oct 2017 #51

BTW,,,,,welcome to DU, Comrade! Cryptoad Oct 2017 #119

Interesting. Joined a week ago and zipped passed the 100 post mark just like that. Hekate Oct 2017 #126

He's not "our" candidate. Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #47

Well said.Thanks for posting this but wonder if it will open any minds onit2day Oct 2017 #48

Nothing sourced from Jared Kushners right wing rag is going to open my mind. MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #92

Did you look at the poll...it is a bullshit poll from a right wing rag... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #115

Here we go again with this questionable poll. From the FIRST page of the poll: George II Oct 2017 #52

That's a very good point. The problem isn't the results necessarily, but certainly the declaration JCanete Oct 2017 #76

I pretty much agree with you on this Tom Rinaldo Oct 2017 #108

Steve Bannon and Rex Tillerson are politicians? mcar Oct 2017 #113

Do you understand weighting? Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #128

Not hard to understand why. Snackshack Oct 2017 #58

To answer your last question, Blue, PatrickforO Oct 2017 #59

This poll causes such tremendous butthurt melman Oct 2017 #64

1. Bernie @ 53%. 2. Mike Pence @ 45%. Pence is almost as popular as Bernie. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #71

The Republicans would be smart to run Pence LittleBlue Oct 2017 #81

Most Americans don't want a theocrat in office using the Bible to legislate emulatorloo Oct 2017 #112

And from so many PDittie Oct 2017 #107

The butthurt come from those who are so desperate to think that a former presidential Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #117

funny that's what the right wingers say treestar Oct 2017 #143

Oh dear dog, no, not THIS again! NastyRiffraff Oct 2017 #65

Nope seta1950 Oct 2017 #68

Addressing your final sentence: how is he being "thrown under the bus because of labels"? Hekate Oct 2017 #77

What a great post...you said it so much better than me. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #118

Well, thank you. Glad to be of service. Hekate Oct 2017 #127

It was perfect! Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #135

sorry..I don't agree... chillfactor Oct 2017 #78

Hillary won 3 million more votes than Trump. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2017 #90

In the immortal words of the current resident of the Oval Office...."Fake News", and in this case... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #82

This is... Mike Nelson Oct 2017 #83

I cant believe people post shit from the observer and defend it just like the Russia Today bullshit MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #91

Russians are duping again. Just remember their role in 2016, coolsandy Oct 2017 #93

I wonder why the referenced ad-free version lapucelle Oct 2017 #94

Good catch, lapucelle. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #130

We must remember that the purpose of this website Trumpocalypse Oct 2017 #99

im sorry, i just cant............ samnsara Oct 2017 #102

Jared Kushner is laughing at you. N/t FSogol Oct 2017 #103

Really? MrScorpio Oct 2017 #104

Excellent ! left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #109

First of all, it is an online polls...IE meaningless. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #111

It's too bad Bernie's not a Democrat. Progressive dog Oct 2017 #120

Why does the link at the archived version go to a Turkish source? lapucelle Oct 2017 #124

How very special. comradebillyboy Oct 2017 #129

St Petersburg is probably chilly this time of year... LanternWaste Oct 2017 #132

This is the part where I remind DU Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #138

I'm sorry, when did politics become just a popularity contest? Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #139

Bernie isn't a Dem, so he isn't "OUR" candidate Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #140

Just over 600,000 will be the most people he will ever officially represent. bluepen Oct 2017 #153

I bet you this thread is a flame war JonLP24 Oct 2017 #154