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303squadron

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6. Joyce Vance has been worried about this for some time
Wed Apr 3, 2024, 06:23 AM
Apr 2024

She wrote a few days ago.......

"We discussed this request when the Judge first issued it in this post, all the way down at the bottom. The Judge issued this order in lieu of ruling on Trump’s request to dismiss the case under the Presidential Records Act. Instead, she seems to be telling the parties she’s going to decide it applies, but ask them to give her alternative jury instructions for two different situations, depending on how she decides it applies. In the first scenario, it’s up to the jury to decide whether each classified document was magically morphed into a personal item by Trump before he left the White House. In the second scenario, it’s all up to Trump. If he testifies or somehow adduces evidence at trial he designated the records he’s charged with retaining as personal, no one, not even the jury, can second guess him. Cannon doesn’t say it in her order, but that can only mean the charges would be due to be dismissed.

This is nuts—it’s up to the Judge to decide in the first instance whether the Presidential Records Act applies at all here. Juries resolve factual disputes. It’s up to the Judge to decide what the law says. And there is literally no authority that suggests that the Presidential Records Act somehow means you can’t prosecute someone who mishandles National Defense information. The Judge should have dismissed Trump’s motion out of hand, and if she had granted it, the government could have taken an appeal.

That’s the heart of the problem here, as I’ve discussed before. By kicking the can down the road to trial, she’s setting up a scenario where she could rule in Trump’s favor and dismiss the case after a jury was sworn in. And at that point, the government couldn’t appeal. That’s because of double jeopardy. The government can’t try a defendant twice on the same charges, so if Judge Cannon were to dismiss the case after trial started, the government couldn’t appeal her because they couldn’t retry the case even if they won. "

Smith is trying to force her hand in this ruling and use it for an appeal to the 11th District court!

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Claiming the countries files as personal is not even logical Stargazer99 Apr 2024 #1
NOBODY can designate classified material as personal records Novara Apr 2024 #2
Smith's motive is to prove the system works tavernier Apr 2024 #8
My thoughts exactly, KS Toronado Apr 2024 #18
Trump claims classified docs are his own personal toilet paper. trusty elf Apr 2024 #3
She's one more step to getting removed from the case Ray Bruns Apr 2024 #4
Special Council's most important job right now should be to have Judge Cannon recuse herself from the trial Escurumbele Apr 2024 #5
Joyce Vance has been worried about this for some time 303squadron Apr 2024 #6
The dismissal scenario seems so simplistic as to be ridiculous to me, or am I just not understanding the strategy nuance NoMoreRepugs Apr 2024 #10
You are missing that all of Trump's strategies are ridiculous. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #14
Welcome to the inner workings of the mind of 303squadron Apr 2024 #17
Then why have a Presidential Records Act or anything marked classified? Freethinker65 Apr 2024 #7
Precisely MissMillie Apr 2024 #11
Yes every president who leaves office can take all US classified docs with him. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #15
This fruitcake Judge needs to be removed from the case. Emile Apr 2024 #9
I keep asking trumpers "WHY did he want nuclear secrets SO bad?" oldsoftie Apr 2024 #12
Stupid Trump cultist has no business being a judge dalton99a Apr 2024 #13
She could not even handle traffic court. Irish_Dem Apr 2024 #16
Thank you, Jack and team. republianmushroom Apr 2024 #19
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