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37. We should "all remember 1980" for two other reasons
Wed May 15, 2024, 03:01 PM
May 2024

1) "October Surprise"
There is evidence to support the claim that Reagan Campaign Manager William Casey met secretly with Iranian officials to ask that the hostages not be released until after the election, so Reagan, and not President Jimmy Carter, wouldn't get credit for their release.

2) "Debate-gate" or "Briefing-gate"
There are those who allege that William Casey had Donald Gregg, a CIA agent who was detailed by the CIA to the National Security Council, (and may have had access to the White House), steal President Carter's Briefing Papers (while Carter was out of town) for his 2nd debate with Reagan.
Casey allegedly made copies of the Carter Briefing Papers and gave them to George Will, who used them to
"coach" Reagan before the 2nd Presidential Debate.
Remember, Reagan did poorly in his first debate with Carter. He mumbled and stumbled and didn't seem to know much.
Carter clearly "won" that first debate.
However, in the 2nd Presidential Debate, after being coached by George Will, Reagan knew what Jimmy Carter was going to say beforehand, because of the stolen WH Briefing Papers.
["Well, there you go again."]
Reagan did very well in that 2nd debate & went on to defeat President Carter in November, 1980.

Big mistake, IMO. lark May 2024 #1
Neither can afford the perception they're ducking debates. Ruby Soho May 2024 #14
Welcome to our DU family. niyad May 2024 #18
TSF said he'd signed the contract yesterday - but we know how much he lies. lark May 2024 #58
I am glad to see Biden is dumping the nonpartisan commission. former9thward May 2024 #2
It's not a good look (on the surface) but you're correct. Shipwack May 2024 #5
I think your last sentence is correct. former9thward May 2024 #8
Do you think the "news organizations" (unnamed in the report) will do any better? muriel_volestrangler May 2024 #7
Maybe not any better. former9thward May 2024 #10
The 2020 debate had no control. Ruby Soho May 2024 #16
Remember how Biden knocked Trump back on his heels Qutzupalotl May 2024 #23
I have no concerns about Biden's debating ability. Ruby Soho May 2024 #25
I wish we did have real debates to give some clarity to issues ClaudetteCC May 2024 #27
I agree... myohmy2 May 2024 #55
Remember the debate with Hillary/ wcollar May 2024 #17
Emphatically YES! Cha May 2024 #39
The moderators DENVERPOPS May 2024 #48
Surprise bucolic_frolic May 2024 #3
We should "all remember 1980" for two other reasons red dog 1 May 2024 #37
Key question - Can the moderator cut the mic if someone runs over? TheRickles May 2024 #4
Any debate rules must include a cut off switch on his microphone. Marcuse May 2024 #6
Will Trump be able to stay awake through the whole thing RAB910 May 2024 #9
The "non-partisan" commission would likely have some asshole like Kristen Welker Mysterian May 2024 #11
I'm getting very worried. DownriverDem May 2024 #12
"All the news we see about Biden is not good." BumRushDaShow May 2024 #13
Except DownriverDem May 2024 #15
You are in a swing state like me (I am in PA) BumRushDaShow May 2024 #20
Yes Michigan DownriverDem May 2024 #28
I have been to Detroit a couple times BumRushDaShow May 2024 #32
Mahalo for the Uplifting Post, BRDS.. Counteracting the Cha May 2024 #40
YW Cha! We gotta ignore the negative media and make sure we GOTV!! BumRushDaShow May 2024 #43
I got that coveed.. I Cancelled All "media" in Cha May 2024 #45
Here in the Pittsburgh area, both sides air TV ads at noon. John1956PA May 2024 #51
I don't normally have the TV on during the day (unless there is some big breaking news) BumRushDaShow May 2024 #52
Today, at noontime, I saw a McCormick TV ad. John1956PA May 2024 #53
His CT home will be to him BumRushDaShow May 2024 #54
don't read the "news". those corporations are too invested in the GOP mode of profit Traurigkeit May 2024 #49
Debates should be required The Mouth May 2024 #19
What we have now are NOT debates. retread May 2024 #22
The things we've been calling debates weren't really debates. pnwmom May 2024 #38
My limited understanding of Biden's proposed conditions include 2 conditions that would limit Stinky's antics. retread May 2024 #21
Imperative that the mic be turned off when the other person has the time. Katinfl May 2024 #24
Here is President Biden's letter to the Presidential Debate Commission LetMyPeopleVote May 2024 #26
TY Again! Cha May 2024 #41
Boy, our guy is good! ananda May 2024 #29
Only debates I want to see is where all questions are asked by the debaters. KS Toronado May 2024 #30
Agree nowforever May 2024 #35
and a high pressure water hose when they won't stop talking. Traurigkeit May 2024 #50
Submitted a debate question and it was ignored bmichaelh May 2024 #31
Every time I try to second guess whether President Biden Mr.Bill May 2024 #33
Why does Biden want them to be early? Polybius May 2024 #34
See my answer to your same question here -- BumRushDaShow May 2024 #36
I think it's a good time.. TY! Cha May 2024 #42
They did explain that due to more states doing "early voting" BumRushDaShow May 2024 #44
Yes, Excellent reasoning.. Biden Team knows what they're doing. Cha May 2024 #46
I want a second opinion lol Polybius May 2024 #56
There will be a 2nd debate in September BumRushDaShow May 2024 #57
All he has to do is get Trump on a stage... dchill May 2024 #47
monitoring the debaters' physiological signs; breath rate, pulse, temp, sweating, eye movement and such keithbvadu2 May 2024 #59
CNN (et al) has sortof have been doing that since 2008 BumRushDaShow May 2024 #60
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