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wnylib

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18. You might want to update and expand your understanding of
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the Christian sects.

The ABC branch of Baptists has a group endorsed by the church leadership that actively opposes Christian Nationalism.
Their opposition to it is based on the core Baptist belief that faith cannot be forced or imposed from the outside. It must be freely chosen, which is why they baptize adults into membership and not infants. They strongly defend religious freedom AND the right to have no religion.

Calvinist-based denominations (Presbyterian, Amish, Mennonites, Reformed Churches), even the ones that practiced state religion in the past, oppose government enforced religion in the US today. The Amish and some branches of Mennonites are apolitical. They do not get involved in politics and do not proselytize.

The largest branch of Presbyterians (PCUSA) are theologically and socially liberal. They respect the right of people to follow their own beliefs or to have no belief. The same is true of the largest branch of Lutherans, the ELCA.

Those churches and others operate immigration programs that provide sponsorship, free legal assistance, language interpretation, and adjustment programs for immigrants. They also operate missions at the southern border to provide food, clothing, and legal help for asylum seekers who are let into the US. They aid people of all backgrounds and religions and do not require joining the churches that help them. Bringing immigrants and asylum seekers into the US is counter to nationalism and especially to Christian Nationalism.

During the Nazi era in Germany, when Nazis infiltrated church councils in order to influence the churches to embrace German nationalism under the name of the German Christian Church, large numbers of Reformed and Lutheran pastors broke away and formed the Confessing Church (meaning faith-based, not politically based) in opposition to the German nationalist church. Some of their members were involved in resistance groups. They helped people escape Nazism. They called Hitler and the German Christian Church blasphemous for their worshiplike veneration of Hitler.

Lutheran Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was executed in a concentration camp for his resistance activities. Lutheran Pastor Martin Niemoller survived several camps and lived to 1984. He is the author of "First they came for the Socialists.... "

Swiss Reformed Pastor Karl Barth was responsible for writing a declaration that rejected the Nazi influence on German Churches, which became the founding document for the Confessing Church (opponents of the German nationalist church). He mailed the document to Hitler and was forced to resign from his teaching position in Germany and return to Switzerland.






This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 7 #1
Omg right??? LearnedHand Oct 7 #3
The Great Deception (R) BoRaGard Oct 7 #2
Don't believe the "pushback" angrychair Oct 7 #4
You might want to update and expand your understanding of wnylib Oct 7 #18
What an amazing post; very educational and puts things in proper perspective. Thank you. nt Frank D. Lincoln Oct 8 #22
That Is The Same Attitude That Is Used To Condemn Muslims, Jews, Etc. TomCADem Oct 7 #20
This is absolutely essential for them to do if we are to survive Hekate Oct 7 #5
It's OK. No real Christians will be harmed by damning the "christian nationalists" (AKA Nazis) erronis Oct 7 #6
(In Al Michaels' field goal voice) Kid Berwyn Oct 7 #7
This is WAY too little and WAY too late!! JoetheShow Oct 7 #8
+1 Hotler Oct 8 #30
ABOUT TIME 4catsmom Oct 7 #9
Didn't Jesus say, "Render to Cesar the things that are Cesar's, and to God the things that are God's"? patphil Oct 7 #10
This. nt Frank D. Lincoln Oct 8 #23
Ha Roy Rolling Oct 8 #24
All organized religion is 90% politics... dchill Oct 7 #11
For quite some time the MSM has lumped all practicing Christians in with the extremely conservative evangelicals led by Ford_Prefect Oct 7 #12
Regardless of the topic, slightlv Oct 7 #16
People, especially the young are pushing back on politicized religion, especially Christianity Warpy Oct 7 #13
I talked to a lifelong friend yesterday who lives in one of Chicago's western suburbs. Talitha Oct 7 #14
And right then and there, that priest slightlv Oct 7 #17
Using their rules Roy Rolling Oct 8 #25
Gee, you think maybe flirting with authoritarian dictatorships is a terrible idea? Initech Oct 7 #15
Christian Nationalism has been tried before. Marcuse Oct 7 #19
How one evangelical leader uses the Bible to expose the 'False White Gospel' TomCADem Oct 7 #21
My Mrs goes to a fairly liberal wing of the Lutherans.. yourout Oct 8 #26
I saw a "Evangelicals for Harris" ad somewhere. oldsoftie Oct 8 #27
Yup and the estate got mad and the video of the ad was pulled from youtube BumRushDaShow Oct 8 #28
Wasnt Graham quoting the Bible? Remake the ad without using him. oldsoftie Oct 8 #29
They may have re-done the ad and/or done additional ones BumRushDaShow Oct 8 #31
"Adherents and allies of the movement have aligned themselves with Donald Trump" -- Martin Eden Oct 8 #32
"...primarily led by individuals rather than any church hierarchy" maxsolomon Oct 8 #33
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