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wnylib

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18. You might want to update and expand your understanding of
Mon Oct 7, 2024, 10:54 PM
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the Christian sects.

The ABC branch of Baptists has a group endorsed by the church leadership that actively opposes Christian Nationalism.
Their opposition to it is based on the core Baptist belief that faith cannot be forced or imposed from the outside. It must be freely chosen, which is why they baptize adults into membership and not infants. They strongly defend religious freedom AND the right to have no religion.

Calvinist-based denominations (Presbyterian, Amish, Mennonites, Reformed Churches), even the ones that practiced state religion in the past, oppose government enforced religion in the US today. The Amish and some branches of Mennonites are apolitical. They do not get involved in politics and do not proselytize.

The largest branch of Presbyterians (PCUSA) are theologically and socially liberal. They respect the right of people to follow their own beliefs or to have no belief. The same is true of the largest branch of Lutherans, the ELCA.

Those churches and others operate immigration programs that provide sponsorship, free legal assistance, language interpretation, and adjustment programs for immigrants. They also operate missions at the southern border to provide food, clothing, and legal help for asylum seekers who are let into the US. They aid people of all backgrounds and religions and do not require joining the churches that help them. Bringing immigrants and asylum seekers into the US is counter to nationalism and especially to Christian Nationalism.

During the Nazi era in Germany, when Nazis infiltrated church councils in order to influence the churches to embrace German nationalism under the name of the German Christian Church, large numbers of Reformed and Lutheran pastors broke away and formed the Confessing Church (meaning faith-based, not politically based) in opposition to the German nationalist church. Some of their members were involved in resistance groups. They helped people escape Nazism. They called Hitler and the German Christian Church blasphemous for their worshiplike veneration of Hitler.

Lutheran Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was executed in a concentration camp for his resistance activities. Lutheran Pastor Martin Niemoller survived several camps and lived to 1984. He is the author of "First they came for the Socialists.... "

Swiss Reformed Pastor Karl Barth was responsible for writing a declaration that rejected the Nazi influence on German Churches, which became the founding document for the Confessing Church (opponents of the German nationalist church). He mailed the document to Hitler and was forced to resign from his teaching position in Germany and return to Switzerland.






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This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2024 #1
Omg right??? LearnedHand Oct 2024 #3
The Great Deception (R) BoRaGard Oct 2024 #2
Don't believe the "pushback" angrychair Oct 2024 #4
You might want to update and expand your understanding of wnylib Oct 2024 #18
What an amazing post; very educational and puts things in proper perspective. Thank you. nt Frank D. Lincoln Oct 2024 #22
That Is The Same Attitude That Is Used To Condemn Muslims, Jews, Etc. TomCADem Oct 2024 #20
This is absolutely essential for them to do if we are to survive Hekate Oct 2024 #5
It's OK. No real Christians will be harmed by damning the "christian nationalists" (AKA Nazis) erronis Oct 2024 #6
(In Al Michaels' field goal voice) Kid Berwyn Oct 2024 #7
This is WAY too little and WAY too late!! JoetheShow Oct 2024 #8
+1 Hotler Oct 2024 #30
ABOUT TIME 4catsmom Oct 2024 #9
Didn't Jesus say, "Render to Cesar the things that are Cesar's, and to God the things that are God's"? patphil Oct 2024 #10
This. nt Frank D. Lincoln Oct 2024 #23
Ha Roy Rolling Oct 2024 #24
All organized religion is 90% politics... dchill Oct 2024 #11
For quite some time the MSM has lumped all practicing Christians in with the extremely conservative evangelicals led by Ford_Prefect Oct 2024 #12
Regardless of the topic, slightlv Oct 2024 #16
People, especially the young are pushing back on politicized religion, especially Christianity Warpy Oct 2024 #13
I talked to a lifelong friend yesterday who lives in one of Chicago's western suburbs. Talitha Oct 2024 #14
And right then and there, that priest slightlv Oct 2024 #17
Using their rules Roy Rolling Oct 2024 #25
Gee, you think maybe flirting with authoritarian dictatorships is a terrible idea? Initech Oct 2024 #15
Christian Nationalism has been tried before. Marcuse Oct 2024 #19
How one evangelical leader uses the Bible to expose the 'False White Gospel' TomCADem Oct 2024 #21
My Mrs goes to a fairly liberal wing of the Lutherans.. yourout Oct 2024 #26
I saw a "Evangelicals for Harris" ad somewhere. oldsoftie Oct 2024 #27
Yup and the estate got mad and the video of the ad was pulled from youtube BumRushDaShow Oct 2024 #28
Wasnt Graham quoting the Bible? Remake the ad without using him. oldsoftie Oct 2024 #29
They may have re-done the ad and/or done additional ones BumRushDaShow Oct 2024 #31
"Adherents and allies of the movement have aligned themselves with Donald Trump" -- Martin Eden Oct 2024 #32
"...primarily led by individuals rather than any church hierarchy" maxsolomon Oct 2024 #33
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