Hamas did not reject the Egyptian offer. Israel did, according to Arab sources. (Reply #42)

AloeVera

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42. Hamas did not reject the Egyptian offer. Israel did, according to Arab sources.

Mon Oct 28, 2024, 04:07 PM

Oct 28

From the NPR link in the O/P:

Hamas declined comment. An official from an Arab country in the region said Israel had rejected the proposal and was buying time.

Buying time to see if Trump wins, I venture to say.

You are conflating the Egyptian proposal with the Israeli proposal put forward by the Mossad chief, the subject of the JP article you linked to. That one offers safe passage for Hamas leaders, who said that an end to the genocide in north Gaza is a precondition to any movement on negotiations.

Perhaps they're not out to save their own skin at the expense of their people. Or perhaps they still believe they can fight. How quixotic but I guess par for the course for true believers.

But what's happening in north Gaza is truly awful. From the NPR article in the O/P:

“The plight of Palestinian civilians trapped in North Gaza is unbearable,” said Stéphane Dujarric, spokesperson for United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres. “The Secretary-General is shocked by the harrowing levels of death, injury and destruction in the north, with civilians trapped under rubble, the sick and wounded going without life-saving health care, and families lacking food and shelter, amid reports of families being separated and many people detained.”

-snip-

Mahmoud Basal, the spokesman of Gaza’s civil defense group, says some 830 bodies were brought to Kamal Adwan Hospital in Jabaliya, one of the last functioning hospitals in north Gaza, since the beginning of the siege. He said other bodies were in streets and under rubble but that first responders were unable to retrieve them in recent days due to the bombardment and attacks on their vehicles.

Over the weekend, Israeli troops raided the hospital, where civilians sheltered alongside patients and medical staff. Israel said militants were operating in the area.

Israeli troops detained more than 30 medical staff in the raid, leaving just two doctors to care for more than 145 patients, many of them children in critical condition due to Israeli airstrikes and shelling, the hospital director said in a television appearance on Al Jazeera. Videos before the raid on Kamal Adwan Hospital, the only hospital in northern Gaza with a pediatric wing, showed severely burnt children in its ICU ward and connected to life support machines.

The suffering is unspeakable, you would agree. This has to end.

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Israel awaits the U.S. election before a Gaza cease-fire, an official says [View all] BumRushDaShow Oct 28 OP

Are they waiting to see if they get the go ahead to wipe out Gaza? Autumn Oct 28 #1

Of course. If trump is installed, Bibi has a blank check and will avoid prison. PSPS Oct 28 #3

Yes. Netanyahu knows that if Trump wins, he has a green light to kill every Palestinian in Gaza and take the land. Lonestarblue Oct 28 #4

I think that's exactly what Bibi is waiting for... to see if Trump slightlv Oct 28 #8

Hamas rejected the proposal. Are they waiting to see if Israel gets the go ahead to wipe out Gaza? Beastly Boy Oct 28 #23

" Israel is awaiting the results of the U.S. presidential election next week" Autumn Oct 28 #27

My question was as legitimate as yours, no? Beastly Boy Oct 28 #34

I read this article twice. Autumn Oct 28 #38

Yes I am. Beastly Boy Oct 28 #40

Yeah I do. Netanyahu has had meeting(s) and phone calls with orange sHitler Autumn Oct 28 #41

What you see is certainly not in the article you claim you read. Beastly Boy Oct 28 #73

Did I miss the new rule that one can only discuss the article and offer no opinions? Autumn Oct 29 #74

No, and neither did I. Beastly Boy Oct 29 #77

As to who has more facts? It depends on where and what you are looking at. Autumn Oct 29 #78

I am looking at where the facts may be found. Beastly Boy Oct 29 #79

To those uncommitted voters. JohnSJ Oct 28 #2

The US is important but the world is watching. Other than ongoing arms supplies Bibi could care less what we think. dutch777 Oct 28 #5

Those ongoing arms supplies are the problem with US policy re: Israel. DickKessler Oct 28 #12

Hamas has already rejected the proposal. former9thward Oct 28 #6

Not surprised Hamas rejected that one. maxsolomon Oct 28 #7

Then there was no need for Israel to make this announcement iemanja Oct 28 #11

If Hamas had accepted a very reasonable solution the war would be over now. former9thward Oct 28 #13

Did you read the OP? iemanja Oct 28 #15

An unnamed official. former9thward Oct 28 #17

It only confirms everything Netanyahu has done to this point iemanja Oct 28 #19

And your views tells a lot about your allegiances. former9thward Oct 28 #20

Indeed. I'm a Democrat, who doesn't align myself with a Trump ally iemanja Oct 28 #29

I align myself with Zionism. former9thward Oct 28 #39

Is there some reason iemanja Oct 28 #46

People who are opposed to Israel like to equate defending Israel with Netanyahu. former9thward Oct 28 #50

That's a lot of deaths you have no problem with iemanja Oct 28 #51

Hundreds of thousands of civilians died in WW II former9thward Oct 28 #53

Are you saying that the Israel hamas conflict is the same thing as WW2? Eko Oct 28 #60

No two wars are the same. former9thward Oct 28 #62

I fail to see a single question I did not anwser. Eko Oct 28 #65

Churchill's history of WW II is six volumes. former9thward Oct 28 #66

Where is this question you asked me? Eko Oct 28 #67

Post #53 former9thward Oct 28 #68

Post 53 was you replying to iemanja, not me. Eko Oct 28 #70

Here. Ill help you. Eko Oct 28 #71

You are in denial. former9thward Oct 29 #80

Really? Eko Oct 29 #81

45 million civilians were killed by the U.S.? former9thward Oct 29 #82

You didnt say it was how many we killed. Eko Oct 29 #83

Please read the thread. former9thward Oct 29 #85

Ok. Eko Oct 29 #87

You know what? I looked it up. I was wrong. Eko Oct 29 #88

Even if we only killed 10% of that number it still puts it at what? Eko Oct 29 #84

As posted. former9thward Oct 29 #86

Which is why we now have something called Geneva Conventions etc. AloeVera Oct 28 #69

dupe iemanja Oct 28 #47

Is Hamas waiting to see whether Israel gets to wipe out Gaza? Beastly Boy Oct 28 #14

Logical question AFAIC. Autumn Oct 28 #33

Good reasonong. Beastly Boy Oct 28 #36

Hamas did not reject the Egyptian offer. Israel did, according to Arab sources. AloeVera Oct 28 #42

In Post 6 they rejected it. former9thward Oct 28 #49

Post 6 is your own post. AloeVera Oct 28 #55

So??? former9thward Oct 28 #56

It's a different proposal in your link than the one in the o/p. AloeVera Oct 28 #58

So who is telling the truth? former9thward Oct 28 #61

Can't say as Hamas has not even responded to the Egyptian proposal. AloeVera Oct 28 #64

Like Aloe Vera said. Eko Oct 28 #63

You conflated 2 different proposals. AloeVera Oct 28 #57

What is Hamas waiting for? sarisataka Oct 28 #9

Nor does Netanyahu. He's repeatedly said he won't accept one iemanja Oct 28 #16

Israel made a concrete offer to end the war two days ago. former9thward Oct 28 #18

Then what is the point of the Egyptian proposed cease fire? iemanja Oct 28 #21

Do you have a link to an article on that Israel proposed peace agreement? iemanja Oct 28 #24

Yes, it is in post #6. former9thward Oct 28 #37

A ceasefire implies both parties to a conflict. sarisataka Oct 28 #22

That's complete false iemanja Oct 28 #25

I will try to pay more attention sarisataka Oct 28 #26

In that case, you would think Israel's actions would be guided by their relationships to the terrorist groups iemanja Oct 28 #28

With that, I do not disagree, they are birds of a feather sarisataka Oct 28 #31

Of course iemanja Oct 28 #32

News is pretty thin, just a couple short reports sarisataka Oct 28 #35

What are they waiting for? See post #42. AloeVera Oct 28 #43

According to an Arab official. But according to CNN Israel is open to a ceasefire sarisataka Oct 28 #44

According to a Likud party member. AloeVera Oct 28 #45

I think he would sarisataka Oct 28 #48

Bibi hoping his buddy Trump will be elected iemanja Oct 28 #10

Seriously................ Lovie777 Oct 28 #30

Trump Netanyahu scheming together. Another day another crime. bullimiami Oct 28 #52

Hoot enid602 Oct 28 #54

The Likud Party is not good for the Democratic Party nor the Palestinians and the Lebanese. C0RI0LANUS Oct 28 #59

Netanyahu has to go or no support. Blue Full Moon Oct 28 #72

Is this going to be like the release of the hostages held by Iran during the Carter administration? Jit423 Oct 29 #75

I think that's exactly what they're going for Lulu KC Oct 29 #76

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