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7. The response isn't proportional.

Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:09 PM

Dec 2024

But nowhere is it written that it has to be.

I mean, somebody beats up your kid, proportionality says you beat him. He stabs your kid, he gets stabbed. What's this depriving them of essential liberty for years business? That's not proportional. But if you have a bigger weapon when the guy's coming to stab your kid and shoot him, you know, that's self-defense. Disproportionate? Yeah, but nobody says you have to just take the abuse, wait to see how bad it is.

Proportionate would have been invading Gaza, raping hundreds of women then killing them, abusing hundreds of men and then killing them--in heinous ways. Taking videos of what you did, parading captives and bodies in the streets of Jerusalem, and grabbing hundreds of hostages and executing some of them.

None of this sounds good to me. But Hamas is a risk and has vowed to repeat this kind of thing. I'm not sure what proportionate is when you get death threats after some of your family's been killed. What, making death threats in return? Maybe the international police should have gone in to arrest those making the threats? And if they didn't surrender, what do you do?

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WHO 'appalled' by Israel attack on northern Gaza's last functioning major hospital [View all] groundloop Dec 2024 OP

It's called ethnic cleansing uncledad Dec 2024 #1

Right, because the Gazans have no agency for themselves. Stop bombing Israel, return hostages, end war, simple elias7 Dec 2024 #2

Is the WHO wrong to be appalled? uncledad Dec 2024 #4

Yes, and the very least they can do is to be more accurate about what appauls them. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #32

That would be thanks to women being pregnant before Israel attacked TiberiusB Dec 2024 #6

Agency? Wtf AloeVera Dec 2024 #13

"In fact it's a sad reflection of desperation that people are willing to sacrifice their critical thinking... Dave Bowman Dec 2024 #14

It is. Also infuriating and crazy-making too. AloeVera Dec 2024 #16

I agree completely. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #23

Ummm ok. AloeVera Jan 2025 #25

I see I am still on your ignore list. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #28

No, that's not what I would like, obviously. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #22

Gaslighting at its "finest". AloeVera Jan 2025 #24

Are you by any chance suggesting that Hamas murderers and their fratricidal leaders are not responsible Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #27

It reminds me of an abused child growing up to be an abuser duhneece Dec 2024 #3

The response isn't proportional. Igel Dec 2024 #7

Israel had the right to respond uncledad Dec 2024 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author uncledad Dec 2024 #11

Bibi can thumb his nose at WHO more than ever now his puppet is out of storage 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2024 #5

I have great doubt that the IDF attack on the airport moniss Dec 2024 #8

Is it just me, or does the name hospital look remarkably close to Jehoshaphat? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 2024 #9

A-B-O-M-I-N-A-T-I-ON. AloeVera Dec 2024 #12

Where did you get the 15 critical patients being moved to a useless hospital? Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #33

It's in the article. You have to read beyond the title. AloeVera Jan 2025 #34

There is no mention, as you can read yourself, of "Forcibly moving 15 critical patients to a useless hospital Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #35

Do you think Palestinian lives are inferior or expendable? AloeVera Jan 2025 #36

Two separate replies for two separate issues: one for the header and the other for the rest of your post. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #37

You didn't have to answer a rhetorical question. AloeVera Jan 2025 #38

That was a loaded and a deflective rhetorical question. I didn't have to, but I answered it to make you aware Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #39

Gaza's government should surrender... ZRB Dec 2024 #15

Until then, the sadism and inhumanity can continue? AloeVera Dec 2024 #17

They won't say it because they approve of the ethnic cleansing. uncledad Dec 2024 #18

Yes. They should just come out and say it. AloeVera Dec 2024 #21

No, it doesn't have to. It will end as soon as the terrorists move out of civilian areas. Period. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #29

Surrender? uncledad Dec 2024 #19

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #26

Go and get them where? Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #30

Pogrom, Ethnic Cleansing, or Genocide? What does an expert say? Well, ask a Holocaust survivor. C0RI0LANUS Dec 2024 #20

I also wish you could talk to hundreds of other holocaust survivors who vehemantly disagree Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #31