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riversedge

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Fri Nov 21, 2025, 06:32 AM Nov 2025

Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Trump's draft plan [View all]

Source: the guardian


Volodymyr Zelenskyy says he expects to discuss the plan – which was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials – with Trump

Guardian staff and agencies Thu 20 Nov 2025 22.11 EST


Donald Trump’s latest plan for ending the war in Ukraine would see territory ceded to Russia, Russia readmitted to the G8 and Ukraine banned from joining Nato, according to drafts of the proposal seen by Axios, AFP and the Associated Press.

Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he expected to discuss the plan with Trump “in coming days,” adding any deal must bring a “dignified peace” with “respect for our independence, our sovereignty.”

The cautious response from Ukraine’s presidential administration stood in contrast to the outrage at the plan from some Ukrainian officials who called it “absurd” “capitulation” and the effective end of its existence as an independent country

The plan appears to repeat Moscow’s maximalist demands and violate numerous Ukrainian red lines and would require an about-turn from Zelenskyy, who has said giving up territory would be unacceptable. It would also probably be deemed unacceptable by Ukraine’s European allies, who have long insisted that they should be given a role in the peace talks given the broader implications of the settlement for the continent’s security, particularly on Nato’s eastern flank.








Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/21/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-zelenskyy-territory-ceded-nato-russia-g8?CMP=share_btn_url



Unless I am really mistaken, it does not look like Ukraine was involved in so-called "Trump Peace Plan"!!

The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.

The plan was reportedly drafted by Russian and US officials, including the influential head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, who has been involved in previous talks on Ukraine and is known to be in touch with the US special envoy Steve Witkoff.

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/n...

(@oceancalm.bsky.social) 2025-11-21T10:28:31.393Z
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The world must step up to the plate and help Ukraine. Irish_Dem Nov 2025 #1
I second that emotion. yellow dahlia Nov 2025 #28
I have such tremendous respect for this man. llmart Nov 2025 #2
ananda's astute political prediction ananda Nov 2025 #3
That is an absurd plan ck4829 Nov 2025 #4
Why does Putin keep winning? Puppyjive Nov 2025 #5
Putin is not winning...he is desperate...hopes Trump will save him... Demsrule86 Nov 2025 #24
No way Putin's winning. It's only nuke power puffery by the felon & his boss. Zelenskyy always listens, then refuses. ancianita Nov 2025 #25
Fuck that shit... 2naSalit Nov 2025 #6
Yes, indeed RazorbackExpat Nov 2025 #17
Not a peace plan: it's a statement of surrender. sinkingfeeling Nov 2025 #7
"Ukraine banned from Nato, Russia readmitted to the G8 and territory ceded: what's in Putin's draft plan" Ray Bruns Nov 2025 #8
this evil Russian puppet administration can go to hell with this non-starter BS LymphocyteLover Nov 2025 #9
No fracking way.. slightlv Nov 2025 #10
If I were Zelenskyy, there would be absolutely no way I would agree to a ban from NATO! OldBaldy1701E Nov 2025 #11
"Peace" plan drafted by Putin, and Putin's Orange Asset, without Ukraine's participation? Martin Eden Nov 2025 #12
If infectious boil pus could assume human form.... LPBBEAR Nov 2025 #13
Zelenskyy's reply Aviation Pro Nov 2025 #14
How is it for the US to Decide Anything? angrychair Nov 2025 #15
Trump is so good at losing he has become a consultant. twodogsbarking Nov 2025 #16
TrumPutin is tag teaming against Ukraine. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 2025 #18
NO to Dumphf, and Putin! Stay strong, President Zelenskyy! electric_blue68 Nov 2025 #19
Trump's "plan" is DOA. Martin68 Nov 2025 #20
Yes! If he tries this, I think even the MAGAs will want him out FakeNoose Nov 2025 #21
He gives Russia everything they want. Happy Hoosier Nov 2025 #22
This is nothing but a reward for Russia blue-wave Nov 2025 #23
This "peace plan" needs to be quickly rejected and Europe needs to pick up its material and financial support. Borogove Nov 2025 #26
Saying Russian officials and Trump ... sleroy49 Nov 2025 #27
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