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Igel

(37,448 posts)
5. Won't happen overnight.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 03:44 PM
Jan 11

Same problem as in Venezuela. And Russia. And Belorus'. And PRC.

When you imprison, exile, or kill all the opposition, kicking out the top tier and saying, "Elections in 21 days, candidacy petitions due in 7!" is lunacy. Moreover, just because the top tier is gone doesn't mean that loyal foot soldiers and mid-tier folkx wouldn't love to restore the old order in which they believed or which gave them their jobs, and do that by creating such chaos that people want order, any order, more than liberty. Look at Russia under Yeltsin. It's a commonplace to say that Putin restored things, but all the trendlines were good--unemployment, inflation, corruption, violence--for a couple of years prior to the 20000 election. Problem is, the improvement was less felt than the on-going disruption. (We see the same effect when looking at urban violence--violent crime may go way down, but the news doesn't pro-rate even large decreases when there's still more than enough violence to fill the newscast. Or unemployment. Or inflation.)

"Give me liberty or give me death" is the slogan of the brave few. The vast majority are usually of the "Give me freedom, but never at the expense of my life, the life of somebody I know, my income, my property, my pets ... maybe my favorite tv show!" persuasion.

And even if there is a democratic transition--whatever the hell that means--it's easy (so the allusions) goes to boil a frog. Even the dystopia that Venezuela was reaching in end-stage-Chavez and which blossomed like a corpse flower under Maduro was slow and incremental and at each stage some protested and were shut up until finally the blanket of oppression was so thorough that 7-8 million leaving was okay because to stay would lead to a lot of death and unpleasantness.

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Nope. Not going to happen. pfitz59 Jan 11 #1
Won't happen overnight. Igel Jan 11 #5
That sounds helpful. iemanja Jan 11 #2
Deja vu all over again. Sneederbunk Jan 11 #3
The shah was no bargain. Better than the Khomeini, but no bargain. Scrivener7 Jan 11 #4
Pahlavi seems to be the most likely leader to step in rollin74 Jan 11 #6
What's the source for his having significant support? SamuelTheThird Jan 11 #11
I have serious doubts newdeal2 Jan 11 #13
Listen to what all the Iranians that support the protests are saying JI7 Jan 12 #33
Ok well it's probably presumptuous for me to weigh in SamuelTheThird Jan 12 #38
It's been 48 years Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 11 #7
Eppur si muove GJGCA Jan 11 #16
Malignant narcissism and thinking the divine right of kings applies to them.... Thomas Hurt Jan 12 #30
Dieu et mon droigt maxsolomon Jan 12 #37
The Plan Is Deep State Witch Jan 11 #8
"freedom of religion, women's rights, and no more SAVAK and secret detention facilities" rampartd Jan 12 #26
Well, That's What They Had Deep State Witch Jan 12 #34
and it ain't gonna change just by installing pahlavi rampartd Jan 12 #35
So the son of the American puppet who was moniss Jan 11 #9
Frankly, I think it is a terrible idea to replace the Islamic state with a kingdom. That certainly isn't the Martin68 Jan 11 #10
We used to have a democratic state, but now a kingdom. Sneederbunk Jan 11 #15
We can thank the CIA for that. Martin68 Jan 12 #29
What's the other option ? And most say the Shah will be in a transitional role JI7 Jan 12 #32
Fuck that. Buzz cook Jan 11 #12
I have noticed many of the protestors waving the old regimes flag: EX500rider Jan 11 #14
Please don't. Xolodno Jan 11 #17
JFC. .anybody remember what happened when the cia had the DEMOCRATICALLY- niyad Jan 11 #18
I do... and it's been as screwed up for the people and the world, in general, slightlv Jan 11 #19
Sadly, you are absolutely correct. niyad Jan 11 #20
Delusional arse-wipe. NotHardly Jan 11 #21
Fire and Gas! BidenRocks Jan 12 #22
Deposed Shah's Son Hopes Trump Will Put Iran Regime 'Down for Good' cliffside Jan 12 #23
I was wondering when that would come up. Old Crank Jan 12 #24
From what I've witnessed on the websites of various Iranian pro-democracy groups, they hate the Pahlavi family.. Crowman2009 Jan 12 #25
Good to hear! Polybius Jan 12 #27
Smells like Trump JCMach1 Jan 12 #28
The people of Iran want him . It's up to them . They know what the old Shah was and what the Ayatollahs are and prefer JI7 Jan 12 #31
CIA going to install you like they did your POS dictator father? Bengus81 Jan 12 #36
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