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Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
36. The U.S. CAN'T rig Venezuela's elections. Guess why?
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:11 PM
Nov 2012

Though Venezuela uses electronic voting, it is OPEN SOURCE CODE programming--code that belongs to the PUBLIC and that anyone may review--and they do a whopping 55% audit (comparison of ballots to electronic totals)--more than five times the amount necessary to detect fraud in an electronic system.

Jimmy Carter recently said that Venezuela has the "best election system in the world."

Compare it to ours: ALL voting machines in the U.S. are run on 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that belongs to PRIVATE corporations, and the the public is FORBIDDEN to review. Half the states do NO AUDIT AT ALL (e-voting, no back up ballot) and the other half do only a miserably inadequate 1% audit.

This is WHY Venezuelans now have universal free medical care and "we" are still arguing about whether poor people should be kicked off the island--allowed to die in the gutter of illness and old age.

Anyway--though the election system here is even worse than I've described above (for instance, something like 70% of U.S. voting machines are controlled by ONE, private, FAR RIGHTWING-CONNECTED corporation (ES&S, which bought out Diebold), not to mention Citizens United and all the rest)--I just wanted to point out that the highly successful leftist democracy movement, of which Venezuela was a pioneer, is based on concrete, fundamental democratic principles and systems, beginning with HONEST, TRANSPARENT vote counting.

And we need to learn from this. They have horrible RW/corporate media, too--in some cases worse than ours--but have been able to elect strong leftist leaders in Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay, Nicaragua and other countries, in addition to Venezuela. How? Honest, transparent vote counting and the other critical component, grass roots organization.

Wow onlyadream Nov 2012 #1
Bush would never have taken office. instead of Alito and Roberts, Gore would have picked the judges. robinlynne Nov 2012 #3
I think we wouldn't even have had 9/11 zentrum Nov 2012 #20
makes sense. robinlynne Nov 2012 #29
I think you're right on all counts (sigh). Raksha Nov 2012 #35
Muslims would still be overwhelmingly GOP. leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #38
I think what really stopped them RandySF Nov 2012 #2
You don't think it was the judge watching them? The public speeches in DC about the Ohio software? robinlynne Nov 2012 #4
They're saving that card to play in 2016. Baitball Blogger Nov 2012 #10
Vote rigging grannie4peace Nov 2012 #31
Our own Time for Change (Dale Tavris) wrote a book on this subject. rhett o rick Nov 2012 #5
I surmised the very same thing yesterday: bleever Nov 2012 #6
I think they stole 3% of the vote in Ohio. pamela Nov 2012 #8
I was puzzled why Ohio was the only state that didn't match the polling. Sugarcoated Nov 2012 #16
Thanks. nice thread. I missed that one! robinlynne Nov 2012 #9
Here's to the great folks of the Election Reform group. bleever Nov 2012 #11
yes!!!! robinlynne Nov 2012 #12
Glad I wasn't watching all that on fox or any station for that matter.. Cha Nov 2012 #7
These are great Americans! This is what democracy looks like. It should not however be this hard The Wielding Truth Nov 2012 #18
Election fraud is real, and comes in a number of forms Kurovski Nov 2012 #13
Please, please, please... the devil Nov 2012 #14
lol. Someone posted today that Rove was part of watergate. I didn't realize. robinlynne Nov 2012 #15
This is pure speculation. Marr Nov 2012 #17
Pure speculation would be a total absence of supporting evidence, but bleever Nov 2012 #21
Oh, I'd be all for an investigation, don't get me wrong. Marr Nov 2012 #24
Great point. bleever Nov 2012 #27
The U.S. CAN'T rig Venezuela's elections. Guess why? Peace Patriot Nov 2012 #36
"Where's the kaboom?" spirald Nov 2012 #19
Florida too... Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #22
And of course... Liberal1975 Nov 2012 #25
agreed. 100% . Elections, as they are now in this country , are not verifiable. robinlynne Nov 2012 #30
I didn't remember ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #23
This gives me chills. The rottenness is astounding. northoftheborder Nov 2012 #26
Sorry, Mark, the press coverage didn't stop them. You better believe they tried to steal Ohio. Maven Nov 2012 #28
press ocverage? You mean the federal judges? robinlynne Nov 2012 #37
Thank you to all who got out in front if this sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #32
Fuck You Karl Rove Blue Owl Nov 2012 #33
People are reading too much of the improbable into Karl Rove's role in politics Coyotl Nov 2012 #34
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