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lumberjack_jeff

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25. This is interesting stuff. It has the ring of truth.
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 10:10 AM
Oct 2013

I hadn't heard this term before, and reading about it is very thought provoking. It is certainly better thought out and articulated than the concept of intersectionality.

Let me break this down for you. When people talk about patriarchy and then it divulges into a complex conversation about the shifting circles of privilege, power, and domination -- they're talking about kyriarchy. When you talk about power assertion of a White woman over a Brown man, that's kyriarchy. When you talk about a Black man dominating a Brown womyn, that's kyriarchy. It's about the human tendency for everyone trying to take the role of lord/master within a pyramid. At it best heights, studying kyriarchy displays that it's more than just rich, white Christian men at the tip top and, personally, they're not the ones I find most dangerous. There's a helluva lot more people a few levels down the pyramid who are more interested in keeping their place in the structure than to turning the pyramid upside down.

Who's at the bottom of the pyramid? Who do you think are at the bottom of the pyramid who are less likely to scheme and spend extravagant resources to further perpetuate oppression? I think of poor children with no roads out of hell, the mentally ill who are never "credible," un-gendered or non-gender identified people, farm workers, modern day slaves...But, the pyramid stratifies itself from top to bottom. And before you start making a checklist of who is at the top and bottom - here's my advice: don't bother. The pyramid shifts with context. The point is not to rank. The point is to learn.

It's about recognizing the power-over relationships that exist because of property, religion, security, economics, citizenship, and geography. Let's not pretend that just because there are not many propertied males mucking around the fem blogosphere, there aren't queen bees and wanna bees exercising the same kind of behavior. So when we talk about woman asserting power over other womyn, we're talking kyriarchy. When you witness woman trying to dominate, define, outline the "movement" or even what an ally should be - that's the kyriarchal ethos strong at work.


http://myecdysis.blogspot.com/2008/04/accepting-kyriarchy-not-apologies.html

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6 Sexist Things Women Say [View all] Bonobo Oct 2013 OP
to be fair, technically, all men ARE animals. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #1
How many animals can shave their balls? Major Nikon Oct 2013 #2
See, that sort of thing never gets old. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #3
Meh... I "get" it, but I don't trouble myself about it too much... nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #4
If I'm going to get wrapped around an axle about sexism... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #5
I can mostly agree with that. And while I may deplore the existence of a shallow, mindless culture nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #6
Some problems are the result of misandry. Some are not. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #9
"Disproportionate share of harm"? Maybe not overall, but a great many men are being harmed greatly. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #11
Do you think that men should be equally represented on college campuses? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #13
Do I? I suppose so, in theory. But why is that one particular number/statistic so important? nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #14
Let's explore this. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #15
As I said, all the issues you've raised are real and legitimate, I just don't think they're nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #18
I'm not suggesting that those things represent misandry. I am suggesting that they represent bias. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #19
Okay. Not sure I see it that way, but I get what you mean at least. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #20
Are you willing to argue the reverse? Major Nikon Oct 2013 #16
It is difficult to quantify, I admit. All I can tell you is that I don't feel disadvantaged, at all, nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #17
There are those who are disadvantaged on both sides of the gender divide Major Nikon Oct 2013 #21
The Kyriarchy Hurts Men pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #23
Thank you for your contribution and I totally agree. nt Bonobo Oct 2013 #24
This is interesting stuff. It has the ring of truth. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #25
Excellent term LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #26
:D It encompasses everything pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #27
Never said it was a big concern in my life either. Bonobo Oct 2013 #7
I agree that that kind of dickishness is unbecoming either way. Anyone who says things like that nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #8
"Dickishness"!!!! LOL! Bonobo Oct 2013 #10
Assholishness? I guess that's more gender neutral... nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #12
A++ Post. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #22
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