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In reply to the discussion: Rail Safety Megathread. Updated July 23, 2024 [View all]mahatmakanejeeves
(60,987 posts)107. Pennsylvania train crash highlights shortcomings of automated railroad braking system
The "automated braking system" is what the NTSB calls positive train control.
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Pennsylvania train crash highlights shortcomings of automated railroad braking system
FILE - This photo provided by Nancy Run Fire Company shows a train derailment along a riverbank in Saucon Township, Pa., March 2, 2024. The collision highlights the shortcomings of the automated braking system that was created to prevent such crashes. None of the circumstances the National Transportation Safety Board described Tuesday, March 26, in its preliminary report on the derailment would have triggered the automated positive train control system to stop the trains. (Nancy Run Fire Company via AP, File)
BY JOSH FUNK
Updated 7:02 PM EDT, March 26, 2024
The collision of three Norfolk Southern trains in Pennsylvania early this month highlights the shortcomings of the automated braking system that was created to prevent such crashes. ... None of the circumstances the National Transportation Safety Board described Tuesday in its preliminary report on the March 2 derailment would have triggered the automated positive train control system to stop the trains.
Not only was the system incapable of stopping the second train before it smashed into the back of a stopped train, but it also couldnt stop the third train. It ran into the derailed cars blockings its track when it arrived less than a minute later. ... PTC today has not generally been designed to protect them in that situation, railroad safety expert Chris Barkan said.
Congress required railroads to develop the positive train control system after a deadly 2008 collision between a Metrolink commuter train and a Union Pacific freight train in Chatsworth, California. That crash killed 25 people, including the Metrolink engineer, and injured more than 100. It took more than a decade and roughly $15 billion for the railroads to design and complete the system, but it only works in certain circumstances.
In this Pennsylvania crash, the eastbound train that smashed into a stopped train in Lower Saucon Township along the Lehigh River had slowed to 13 mph (21 kph) after passing a restricted speed signal. But without a stop signal, the braking system would not have been triggered. ... The three railcars that derailed after that first collision blocked the adjacent track, and the third train smashed into them at about 22 mph (35 kph). The braking system relies on information from the railroads signals to stop a train, and it cant detect when something is blocking the tracks. But given that the third train arrived less than a minute later, there wouldnt have been enough time to stop it anyway.
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Pennsylvania train crash highlights shortcomings of automated railroad braking system
FILE - This photo provided by Nancy Run Fire Company shows a train derailment along a riverbank in Saucon Township, Pa., March 2, 2024. The collision highlights the shortcomings of the automated braking system that was created to prevent such crashes. None of the circumstances the National Transportation Safety Board described Tuesday, March 26, in its preliminary report on the derailment would have triggered the automated positive train control system to stop the trains. (Nancy Run Fire Company via AP, File)
BY JOSH FUNK
Updated 7:02 PM EDT, March 26, 2024
The collision of three Norfolk Southern trains in Pennsylvania early this month highlights the shortcomings of the automated braking system that was created to prevent such crashes. ... None of the circumstances the National Transportation Safety Board described Tuesday in its preliminary report on the March 2 derailment would have triggered the automated positive train control system to stop the trains.
Not only was the system incapable of stopping the second train before it smashed into the back of a stopped train, but it also couldnt stop the third train. It ran into the derailed cars blockings its track when it arrived less than a minute later. ... PTC today has not generally been designed to protect them in that situation, railroad safety expert Chris Barkan said.
Congress required railroads to develop the positive train control system after a deadly 2008 collision between a Metrolink commuter train and a Union Pacific freight train in Chatsworth, California. That crash killed 25 people, including the Metrolink engineer, and injured more than 100. It took more than a decade and roughly $15 billion for the railroads to design and complete the system, but it only works in certain circumstances.
In this Pennsylvania crash, the eastbound train that smashed into a stopped train in Lower Saucon Township along the Lehigh River had slowed to 13 mph (21 kph) after passing a restricted speed signal. But without a stop signal, the braking system would not have been triggered. ... The three railcars that derailed after that first collision blocked the adjacent track, and the third train smashed into them at about 22 mph (35 kph). The braking system relies on information from the railroads signals to stop a train, and it cant detect when something is blocking the tracks. But given that the third train arrived less than a minute later, there wouldnt have been enough time to stop it anyway.
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