Vegetarian, Vegan and Animal Rights

To quote you:
"Wrong. The world shouldn't only consist of people, dogs and cats. With increasing human population and loss of habitat for animals, that is exactly what will happen. A doe eating a flower in someone's yard, and your response that deer will cause traffic accidents? Alcoholics cause accidents. Okay to shoot them? "

It's very simple. Cities are not nature. They are the artificial habitat of an intelligent species that has ENTIRELY different priorities from what animals want. Wild animals threaten these priorities. For example: Not stepping into shit, not being attacked by animals, not having accidents with animals, not getting diseases from animals.

Do you think that cities are animal-free because of some weird quirk? They are animal-free because that's how we want it, that's how we define them, that's how they are "supposed to be".




To quote you:
"And when was the last time you were attacked by a 'feral dog, feral cat, raccoon, rat and pigeon?' ... If rampant issues based on interactions with wild animals actually existed, you wouldn't have to 'lie' and say "We are being attacked by feral cats, dogs, raccoons and rats". "

Rampant issues with wild animals in cities do not exist because we actively prevent such situations. Your stance seems to be that such situations wouldn't happen in general, even if we weren't preventing them.



To quote you:
"And on that note, Feral dogs and cats are a problem caused by humans introducing them to an environment that did not have them in the first place."

Feral dogs (aka wolves) and feral cats have been around forever in the wilderness. The human introduced them as domesticated dogs and domesticated cats into cities. But unsupervised pets go feral again. And that's how you get feral animals in cities. The human did not introduce feral, problematic animals into cities.



To quote you:
"In Los Angeles, thousands of native bird species are extinct due to the 'feral cat' issue that you so readily brought up to defend your issue. Outside of getting a 'shot' at the doctor's office, I don't think there were any deaths due to feral cat attacks.. I could be wrong. But the problems started by human carelessness is far worse than us getting 'attacked by wild animals'. "

I really don't get your point here. Do think that feral cats are a problem because they kill birds or do you think they are not a problem because they do not kill humans???



To quote you:
"Racoons, possums, rats and birds. Leave them the f! alone."

And exactly that is not possible. Cities are our environment, not theirs. They do not belong here. They spread trash and diseases and that's why we CANNOT "leave them the f! alone."