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27. The cultural war brewing inside the IDF
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:23 AM
Jul 2016
Summary

Statements by leading Zionist-Orthodox rabbis against gays and in support of the exclusion of women from the army reflect the growing war of culture waged in Israel, between liberals and those who aspire for a more Jewish-religious state.

Author Ben Caspit
Posted July 18, 2016

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/07/israel-religious-zionism-war-for-control-of-the-idf.html#ixzz4F18UMOky

In addition, he said that the Jewish Reform movement is a branch of Christianity, and that lots of branches started in Judaism before moving on to other religions or movements.

The Zion and Jerusalem Conference at which Levenstein spoke was dedicated to “the infiltration of Reform Jewry into the State of Israel.” The issues discussed at the conference reflect the growing exacerbation of the culture war waged in Israel almost since its very inception in 1948: the war between liberals and conservatives; the secular and the religious; and pragmatic Israelis and messianic Israelis.


The members of Israel’s former secular-liberal elite group (those identified with the state-founding period Labor movement) serve in the army shoulder to shoulder with Israelis of Ethiopian heritage, Russian immigrants, Druze, Bedouin, youths from the periphery and even a growing number of Christian and Muslim Arabs. Thus, what we are seeing today is a war of control over the IDF, an institution that had once been called “the nation’s army.” The State of Israel is populated by several tribes of the same nation; each tribe perceives the army from its own point of view and pulls in its own direction.

The opinions expressed by Karim and Levenstein have generated many reactions and raised a giant storm in the Israeli media and the Israeli public agenda. It is noteworthy that most of the rabbis who responded negated the interpretation of their words and the general tone. They made it clear that Judaism must not be allowed to get between the soldiers and their commanders, and religious beliefs should not be a factor in IDF-related internal issues or operational orders. The problem is that a not insignificant number of these rabbis secretly support the stances of Karim and Levenstein and are determined to win the culture war that is running riot in Israel.






IDF stands with LGBT in spite of critics 6chars Jul 2016 #1
The title was clear. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #2
An IDF soldier on being out, gay, and religious oberliner Jul 2016 #3
Israel's State-funded Homophobia Israeli Jul 2016 #4
I have always been PRIDE of the IDF... King_David Jul 2016 #5
The cultural war brewing inside the IDF Israeli Jul 2016 #27
.....all of them KD ??? Israeli Jul 2016 #28
Israeli Army Bans Anti-gay Rabbi From Bases, Demands He Retract Statements King_David Jul 2016 #30
Good for the IDF. Exactly what I've come to expect. n/t shira Jul 2016 #31
Dont you ever read the thread before you post ?? Israeli Jul 2016 #32
Not your narrative King_David Jul 2016 #35
I could use some help researching this issue FBaggins Jul 2016 #6
Did you just fall on your face with that fail? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #7
I don't think he did fail at all .... King_David Jul 2016 #8
Murdered schmerdered FBaggins Jul 2016 #9
The Rabbi is an idiot King_David Jul 2016 #11
The true offense is always crying about a terrorist organization, R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #13
Hilariously ironic less than three hours after your post #7 FBaggins Jul 2016 #16
"Obviously you intended it to make a statement in the context of "the conflict between Israelis and R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #17
Oh! Then why didn't you just SAY that your post was off topic? FBaggins Jul 2016 #18
It's not, dear. Had I posted it any place else R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #23
I don't care what your opinion is, Dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #12
Israel ? Huh ? King_David Jul 2016 #14
There's plenty of fanatic fuckwit bigots in Israel, dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #15
We were talking about homophobic bigots King_David Jul 2016 #19
Bigots are bigots dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #20
No matter which religion they follow RDO .......... Israeli Jul 2016 #34
Apparently it's now ok to run far afield of the OP. FBaggins Jul 2016 #21
Unbelievable King_David Jul 2016 #22
Your projection is laughable... R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2016 #24
Bluster without rhetorical content FBaggins Jul 2016 #10
the unsaid part of this hitjob post: LGBT has been serving in IDF for longer than in USA ericson00 Jul 2016 #25
250 Israeli Rabbis Publicly Back Head of pre-IDF Academy Who Called Gay People 'Perverts' Little Tich Jul 2016 #26
Israeli Army Bans Anti-gay Rabbi From Bases, Demands He Retract Statements Israeli Jul 2016 #29
Defense Ministry Summons Anti-gay Rabbi Who Criticized Israeli Army Israeli Jul 2016 #33
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