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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
40. It has nothing to do with anyone being Jewish.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 07:52 PM
Dec 2016

It would have been the exact same reaction if any OTHER group had come in and started acting as if the land was theirs and no one else's, and as if the people who were being dispossessed had no connection to the land of their own.

Ben-Gurion spent his last years opposing the idea of settling the West Bank(the government waited until AFTER he died to start).

Look, I agree that the original pre-1948 Jewish inhabitants of the area, the people who were driven out by Jordan, not the Palestinians(a group that had no real say over the matter and who themselves had never wanted those folks driven out)should be allowed right of return(and should get the "acknowledgment, apologies, compensation" package that I've called for for Palestinian exiles), but why bring in people from other countries on other continents who themselves had no direct connection to what the right wing calls "Judea and Samaria" to treat the place as if it should be their personal and exclusive domain? Why bring in religious and political extremists, some of whom wanted nothing BUT conflict? Why not just send in the pre-1948'ers and leave it at that?

Can you not see how sending in over 250,000 people, letting those people divert much of the available water supply, take the best land, uproot the ancient olive trees Palestinians had tended for centuries to be replanted ON the setlements, and lay out their settlements in such a way as to make it impossible for Palestinians to get from one part of their homeland to another without having to go through checkpoint after checkpoint after checkpoint just MIGHT make the situation worse?

Could you at least concede, if nothing else, that the whole settlement project was carried out in a far more heavy-handed and insensitive manner than it needed to be?

We're coming very close to the situation in which the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank will be impossible, due to all the land the settlements hold. If the creation of a Palestinian state is made impossible, any possibility of peace forever vanishes. Are you ok with that?

Racist crap. Little Tich Sep 2016 #1
LoL. This is a great article to use against the Zionism = Colonialism racist crap. shira Sep 2016 #2
The author of this stinker is promoting the myth that Palestinians are descended from Arab invaders Little Tich Sep 2016 #3
The Palestinians describe themselves as Arabs. Here's Hamas for example... shira Sep 2016 #4
I hope you know what you're doing. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #5
Are you saying that you don't think that Palestinians are arabs? FBaggins Sep 2016 #7
1964 PLO Charter, Article 1.... shira Sep 2016 #8
Have you even read the OP? Little Tich Sep 2016 #12
How is that anymore racist than claiming the same against Jews? shira Sep 2016 #13
Would it be correct to assume that you think the quote in my post #12 to be factually incorrect? n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #31
The OP is factually accurate. Now will you answer me? n/t shira Sep 2016 #34
The Khazar myth is no better than the lies propagated in the OP. Little Tich Sep 2016 #35
Please stop obfuscating. I'm talking about claims that Jews aren't indigenous.... shira Sep 2016 #36
What's more important is Arab as a cultural distinction. aranthus Sep 2016 #9
Are you suggesting that Palestinians don't have a right to live in their ancestral homeland? Little Tich Sep 2016 #10
Apparently you didn't read the post you responded to. aranthus Sep 2016 #21
I'm sorry - I didn't realize that you haven't read the OP. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #23
I get it. aranthus Sep 2016 #27
Please just look at the evidence in my post #30 and form your own opinion. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #33
A little late, but this is a great post. Bookmarking. n/t shira Dec 2016 #37
Palestinians are descended from the people that have lived in Palestine since prehistory, Little Tich Sep 2016 #11
Can you define indigenous status for the classroom? n/t shira Sep 2016 #14
The term "indigenous" is a vague concept that seems to have lost its original meaning. Little Tich Sep 2016 #15
Kinda worthless discussion if we can't agree on simple definitions. n/t shira Sep 2016 #17
It seems as if you're trying to avoid saying that you think that Palestinians are not indigenous Little Tich Sep 2016 #18
You keep bringing up Palestinians being descended from Canaanites, etc... shira Sep 2016 #28
You still having trouble answering simple questions? FBaggins Sep 2016 #16
Arab is a both cultural identity and an ancestral heritage. Little Tich Sep 2016 #19
And the Palestinians are Arabs in both senses... so that's still dodging. FBaggins Sep 2016 #20
As I've stated before - I've never encountered this myth outside of racist argumentation. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #24
And as has been pointed out to you in the past... FBaggins Sep 2016 #29
Perhaps we could dispense with the customary insults and provide evidence for our claims instead? Little Tich Sep 2016 #30
Where is the proof of this? aranthus Sep 2016 #22
Racial purity isn't my favourite subject, but as it seems important for you, I guess you need to Little Tich Sep 2016 #25
You have completely missed my point. aranthus Sep 2016 #26
I'm very concerned about the spreading of racist lies. Little Tich Sep 2016 #32
On the Israeli side of the Green Line, it isn't colonialism. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #38
Criticizing settlements is fine but calling it colonialism as if Jews don't belong.... shira Dec 2016 #39
It has nothing to do with anyone being Jewish. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #40
I don't have a problem with legit criticism of settlements, but colonialism goes too far. shira Dec 2016 #41
I'm not sure they're against the existence of Israel within the pre-1967 lines. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #42
Seriously? You don't believe BDS is against the existence of Israel? Come on Ken... shira Dec 2016 #43
BDS is not Hamas and Fatah. It's totally separate from them. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #44
BDS has no problem with racist Hamas, Fatah goals. shira Dec 2016 #45
A very cogent and thoughtful article AsianActivist Sep 2016 #6
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