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Let's call the Isla Vista killings what they were: misogynist extremism [View all]
http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2014/05/lets-call-isla-vista-killings-what-they-were-misogynist-extremism"For some time now, misogynist extremism has been excused, as all acts of terrorism committed by white men are excused, as an aberration, as the work of random loons, not real men at all. Why are we denying the existence of a pattern?"
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The ideology behind these attacks - and there is ideology - is simple. Women owe men. Women, as a class, as a sex, owe men sex, love, attention, adoration, in Rodgers words. We owe them respect and obedience, and our refusal to give it to them is to blame for their anger, their violence - stupid sluts get what they deserve. Most of all, there is an overpowering sense of rage and entitlement: the conviction that men have been denied a birthright of easy power.
Capitalism commodifies that rage, monetises it, disseminates it through handbooks and forums and crass mainstream pornography. It does not occur to these men that women might have experienced these very human things, too, because it does not occur to them that women are human, not really. Women are prizes to be caught and used or hags to be harassed or, occassionally, both.
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We are told, repeatedly, to ignore it. Its not real. Its just "crazy", lonely guys who we should feel sorry for. But as a mental health activist, I have no time for the language of emotional distress being used to excuse an atrocity, and as a compassionate person I am sick of being told to empathise with the perpetrators of violence any time I try to talk about the victims and survivors. Thats what women are supposed to do. Were supposed to be infinitely compassionate. Were supposed to feel sorry for these poor, confused, vengeful individuals. Sometimes were allowed to talk about our fear, as long as we dont get angry. Most of all, we mustnt get angry.
We have allowed ourselves to believe, for a long time, that the misogynist subcultures flourishing on- and offline in the past half-decade, the vengeful sexism seeding in resentment in a time of rage and austerity, is best ignored. We have allowed ourselves to believe that those fetid currents arent really real, that they dont matter, that they have no relation to "real-world" violence. But if the Isla Vista massacre is the first confirmed incident of an incident of gross and bloody violence directly linked to the culture of Mens Rights activism and Pickup Artist (PUA) ideology, an ideology that preys on lost, angry men, then it cannot be ignored or dismissed any more.
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Let's call the Isla Vista killings what they were: misogynist extremism [View all]
Starry Messenger
May 2014
OP
He is not typical of any group except mass murderers. Nor was he a member of any MRA group. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#16
Sure. I searched but can't find him being a member of any group. Please provide the links.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#47
I know, I'm just getting tired of only one gender being told they are making shit up in this convo.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#60
I see now I was drawing a distinction that does not matter in this case,
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#69
Ask CSStrowbridge, who is the one making the assertion that he is a member.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#51
If you haven't yet, it would probably be useful to peruse his manifesto.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#10
Please..."Very difficult to deal with" is a lot different than "Mass Murderer".
whathehell
May 2014
#31
Seems that Rodgers also attacked his roommates or at least that something violent
JDPriestly
May 2014
#32
Here's a screen-cap if you don't have time to wade through the whole thing.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#42
Very true. Ironically, a lot of those attitudes are due to the influence of Holllywood
JDPriestly
May 2014
#85
You need to listen to his words. He clearly both wanted and hated women. And yes, it is
Squinch
May 2014
#43
I am doing the first thing that needs to be done in any organizing drive.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#72
KnR. I scanned the LA Times article today to see if there was a reference to his online affiliations
Hekate
May 2014
#20
Wasn't this fella just mentally disturbed? Mysogyny never even crossed my mind.. and I'm a woman
secondwind
May 2014
#24
Well, which party is making sweeping gender generalizations that lead to this problem?
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#38
We can't discuss this till we propose a solution for you? Ok, we have your rules now...
Squinch
May 2014
#44
I've been thinking about a counterfactual and how it would change this guy's story.
LeftyMom
May 2014
#78
And instead of being dragged back from the brink by reasonable advice his resentments were fed.
LeftyMom
May 2014
#80
What I don't get now is people telling feminists this is our problem to fix.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#81