Gun Control & RKBA

branford

(4,462 posts)

75. Punitive taxes on bullets for purposes of reducing firearm ownership

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:04 AM

Nov 2015

is unconstitutional. You also fail to understand the difference between the enumerated individual right to keep and bear arms and smoking, which has no inherent legal protections.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/460/575.html

http://volokh.com/2010/11/04/d-c-s-highest-court-holds-ammunition-ban-violates-second-amendment/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

Regardless of the constitutional impediments, such a tax has absolutely no chance of passing either house of Congress. Heck, they cannot even pass a universal background check bill despite purported claims of over 90% support.

Interestingly, it's anticipated that a very small "violence tax" instituted in Seattle, similar in nature but far less onerous than an actual bullet tax, will likely soon fall due to constitutional and state preemption concerns. Prepare for even more pro-gun right legal precedent in the near future.

http://www.examiner.com/article/summary-judgment-hearing-on-seattle-gun-tax-lawsuit-dec-18

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

154 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

$100 gun tax proposed... [View all] virginia mountainman Nov 2015 OP

Dumb idea Warpy Nov 2015 #1

And the tax is regressive to boot, natch! nt kelly1mm Nov 2015 #2

excellent idea just like cigarettes and sports people who want them will pay anything for it saturnsring Nov 2015 #3

Smoking sure has decreased since they made the taxes VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #4

well the bullet ought to be out right banned there's nothing protecting them saturnsring Nov 2015 #5

Please do! virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #6

That would become illegal becuse they are bootleg VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #9

"Let me tell the story, let me tell it all. About the mountain boy who ran illegal alcohol..." Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #142

Your beloved cigarette revenuers murdered Eric Garner. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2015 #153

Ummm, GGJohn Nov 2015 #7

Illegal....it bypasses the tqx...bootlegging VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #10

Whaaaaa? GGJohn Nov 2015 #12

It will be when the heavy taxes I want happens VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #15

Sorry, but your fantasy is just that, GGJohn Nov 2015 #18

Its coming snd you all know it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #20

Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #23

Uh huh...you know how I know? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #112

Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #116

Yes...whatever I say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #118

Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #121

You damn skippy.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #122

Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #123

still nothing.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #125

Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #126

How?? virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #38

Don't bother DonP Nov 2015 #129

How are they going to find me? Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #29

Punitive taxes on bullets for purposes of reducing firearm ownership branford Nov 2015 #75

to that I say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #141

Read the articles you cite... branford Nov 2015 #152

What you want is irrelevant. Straw Man Nov 2015 #79

I would be for the 100 dollar a drink tax Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #83

Hope that Ammo Tax fantasy keeps you warm and happy this winter DonP Nov 2015 #16

Nothing is illegal about making your own wine or bear. Spirits though are still illegal and there Waldorf Nov 2015 #134

They are very much protected Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #28

It's is protected in the 2nd. It's part of the "Arms". Waldorf Nov 2015 #130

Of course there is. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #154

You may wish to read sarisataka Nov 2015 #8

I don't recall printers ink killing 10's of thousand of VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #11

Bullets and ink sarisataka Nov 2015 #13

One kills 10s of thousands a year.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #17

If you truly believe sarisataka Nov 2015 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #21

I didnt say ban did I? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #22

Which, as you well know and want, would be a defacto ban GGJohn Nov 2015 #24

Aww thats too bad... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #25

The only sad will be yours when your pipe dream fails to materialize. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #27

Yeah we are just going to let VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #30

Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #35

Meanwhile children are dying daily to protect VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #82

The appeal to emotion? GGJohn Nov 2015 #91

are they dying or not? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #92

Not by my firearms. GGJohn Nov 2015 #93

do we control vehicles? YES! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #94

Do we control firearms? GGJohn Nov 2015 #97

Not nearly enough...tens of thousands die needlessly every year... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #98

why not....I want you to have few of them! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #102

This is getting funnier and funnier, GGJohn Nov 2015 #105

It beats the shit out of ANY ideas you all have come up with to address the problem which is VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #106

Well, you're right about one thing. GGJohn Nov 2015 #109

I am right about one thing.....YOU got nothing! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #110

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #115

You don't have time....America always evolves... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #117

they are dying everyday BY GUNS! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #111

And many more die by other means every day, GGJohn Nov 2015 #119

Yes we should do something about those two VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #120

It's Late Night Comedy in the morning! Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #143

Overheated attempts at moral panic-mongering are always good for lulz friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #150

Exactly as in sarisataka Nov 2015 #26

Its a matter of public safety.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #31

Still pushing that debunked tired old meme? GGJohn Nov 2015 #36

Which as pointed out to you multiple times TeddyR Nov 2015 #87

Well, GWB's ink pen did a pretty good job of killing millions of Iraqi's and thousands GGJohn Nov 2015 #14

Beat me to it beardown Nov 2015 #132

You are deflecting the argument Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #32

And comparing ink to bullets isnt a deflection? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #33

i dont even care any more Travis_0004 Nov 2015 #34

Good give up... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #39

When (not if, *when*) this bill fails to go anywhere in the Republican-held House... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #45

When indeed VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #47

The use of ink has caused untold millions of deaths, GGJohn Nov 2015 #37

Not without the bullets.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #40

GW's war, including bullets, wouldn't have happened if not for the pen GGJohn Nov 2015 #43

Not without the bullets VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #46

Do you honestly believe that the government will go without bullets? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #49

Again, without the ink, the bullets wouldn't have been used, GGJohn Nov 2015 #50

Notwithouthebullets VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #54

Lather, Rinse, Repeat. GGJohn Nov 2015 #56

Notwithoutthesoap VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #59

What sort of press do you post with? There was no Internet when the 1st A. was written friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #52

If it gets you away from the fantasy that this has a hope in hell in the GOP-controlled House... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #42

Old ass GOP are dying off...it will happen VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #44

Not anytime soon, and not with this bill friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #48

Soon enogh... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #53

You mean like vehicles? GGJohn Nov 2015 #58

We do tax cigarettes whiskey...gasoline VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #60

Heroin has been illegal for a century. How hard is it to get where you live? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #62

Doesnt kill as many as guns... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #65

My god, GGJohn Nov 2015 #66

The 'dream team' of gun control advocates left the building long ago friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #69

actually, it does gejohnston Nov 2015 #68

Who is removing suicide? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #81

Drug overdoses melm00se Nov 2015 #90

But not prohibitively, like you and your ilk want. GGJohn Nov 2015 #63

Yes prohibitively... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #70

Maybe you missed the part where I said those aren't protected rights, GGJohn Nov 2015 #71

Firearms yes...bullets no... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #72

Again, GGJohn Nov 2015 #74

This bill has as little chance of becoming law TeddyR Nov 2015 #88

No...you can hve all the guns you want VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #89

I don't yet have all the firearms I want, but I'm working on it, GGJohn Nov 2015 #95

Yes but I want to prevent you from using them! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #96

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #99

REGULATE until those needless deaths decrease.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #100

We've suggested many reg. that would help reduce the deaths, GGJohn Nov 2015 #103

fewer bullets would.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #104

LOL. GGJohn Nov 2015 #107

So what is YOUR solution to those kids dying from their "responsible gun owning" parents guns? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #108

Open carry should be banned except for when hiking in the wildnerness, or hunting. GGJohn Nov 2015 #113

So should they be charged with manslaughter? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #114

If it warrants it, GGJohn Nov 2015 #124

Negligent homicide would be more appropriate. eom. GGJohn Nov 2015 #127

You think the progressive 2Aers have no solutions you should see the banners ideas. ileus Nov 2015 #133

Great new approach. beardown Nov 2015 #135

why stop there....why not a Nuke? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #138

How would you use a nuke to protect your wife coming out of Texas? ileus Nov 2015 #144

By Nuking Oklahoma of course VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #145

We used to only have spoons. ileus Nov 2015 #146

And if spoons were Weapons of Mass Destruction VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #147

and bullets today for that matter Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #84

Doesn't matter sarisataka Nov 2015 #51

Extinct? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #55

Climate change will take a while sarisataka Nov 2015 #57

"Check!"? No, cheap appeal to emotion- your schtick has been seen here many times before friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #61

Yeah nobody cares about children getting gunned down VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #64

Your approach long ago earned a name: Lovejoying friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #67

Doesn't mske me less right... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #73

It doesn't make you right, it makes you a demagogue friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #78

Children are dying.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #80

It's not as easy to gin up a moral panic as you seem to believe friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #148

Fewer every year. Face it, your desired moral panic won't happen anytime soon friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #149

The problem with that line of reasoning is that support for gun control has been going down kelly1mm Nov 2015 #137

No, it's not. Waldorf Nov 2015 #136

Planted articles and 'writers' led to Iraqmire beardown Nov 2015 #131

If you want to do this, please wait until we make some huge gains in the Democratic Party yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #41

Our loss VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #76

re: "...since they made the taxes high..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #128

Kind of like the way that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #139

This thread should be pinned. beevul Nov 2015 #77

if you pin all of the threads with as much fail Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #85

Maybe we could nominate a handful and vote to pick a winner once a month. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2015 #140

How PROGRESSIVE can one get...LOL ileus Nov 2015 #86

It’s a good bill…I support it. Kang Colby Nov 2015 #151