Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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81. it is an empirical question

Fri May 6, 2016, 11:43 AM

May 2016

Last edited Fri May 6, 2016, 11:21 PM - Edit history (1)

it has nothing to do with his not so good judgement that lead to the situation or any opinion of him personally.
did Jehrardd Williams violate a law? I do know instructors that use Williams and Zimmerman as examples of what to do and what not to do.
Williams did everything right.
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/28972473/prosecutors-rule-fatal-waffle-house-shooting-case-of-self-defense
http://www.westernjournalism.com/florida-law-enforcement-finds-black-man-shot-white-racist-in-self-defense/

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Gun related post here, feel free to avoid the territory [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 OP

Zimmerman gunstalked an unarmed Black kid with a bag of skittles. stone space Mar 2015 #1

vote please discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #2

Except that's not what happened. eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #3

Bullshit. Zimmerman is a cold-blooded murder. stone space May 2016 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #102

Yet he's not TeddyR May 2016 #112

You are wrong. Zimmerman IS a murderer. stone space May 2016 #117

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated? Lurks Often May 2016 #121

I guess you really do not know Duckhunter935 May 2016 #122

I'm not familiar enough with Florida law to say. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #4

Neither am I discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #13

He followed the law.. virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #5

nobody knows who was the first agressor gejohnston Mar 2015 #6

I'll go out on a limb here discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #14

I would say stupid gejohnston Mar 2015 #17

I'm with you on all of that discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #18

Bingo.......and this is why I believe that Florida passed new legislation post Z pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #19

I don't remember seeing that gejohnston Mar 2015 #20

"He wasn't driving around playing security guard or anything like that." pablo_marmol Mar 2015 #21

Let me know if you find anything on that discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #46

Zimmerman was the first aggressor, plain and simple. He was armed, playing self appointed Ghost in the Machine Mar 2015 #22

He was not told to stay in the car gejohnston Mar 2015 #23

SWING... virginia mountainman Mar 2015 #33

"He was not told to stay in the car". When it first happened, that's what I read somewhere... Ghost in the Machine Mar 2015 #57

still wrong gejohnston Mar 2015 #60

He was told that officers were already on the way, then Zimmerman said "he's running away now" Ghost in the Machine Mar 2015 #71

even if the other were alive, doesn't matter gejohnston Mar 2015 #72

All you have to do is look at what Martin was doing when he was shot and what was happening braddy May 2016 #126

That does not matter to some... virginia mountainman May 2016 #131

The Gunstalker was the first aggessor. stone space Mar 2015 #24

you have been lied to as well gejohnston Mar 2015 #25

Following a kid with gun is Gunstalking. (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #26

you didn't have time to read my reply gejohnston Mar 2015 #27

You support the murderous Gunstalker Zimmerman. I don't. stone space Mar 2015 #28

I support the facts and the truth gejohnston Mar 2015 #29

I have never cheated my students. You are a bald faced liar. stone space Mar 2015 #30

I never accused you of anything gejohnston Mar 2015 #31

You accused me of cheating my students. stone space Mar 2015 #32

your emotions are getting in the way ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #85

You strongly implied, suggested, or inferred it, obviously, gejohn....Maybe an edit or an apology? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #35

2-5 to leave, if you're interested petronius Mar 2015 #36

So if was not a personal attack it was just an ad hominem attack on mathematicians? Still not cool. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #56

It's neither a personal attack blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #59

Like I said, ad hominem. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #61

Um, no. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #62

Could be a strawman attack then? Imputing general incompetency from one dubious example? Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #63

Um, no. blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #64

Look up the meaning of the word "if", Fred. N/t beevul May 2016 #87

Here is a novel idea, discuss the actual laws and the case Lurks Often Mar 2015 #37

But, then you cannot engage blueridge3210 Mar 2015 #38

We'll see if I get an answer at all from the calculuz teacher Lurks Often Mar 2015 #39

What do my calculus classes have to do with Goerge Zimmerman's Gunstalking? stone space Mar 2015 #40

Yet again you avoid answering simple, direct questions Lurks Often Mar 2015 #41

If George Zimmerman shows up in my calculus class armed, he's going to jail. stone space Mar 2015 #42

LOL, Still not an answer Lurks Often Mar 2015 #44

Maybe he's one of those "Online" Calculuz teachers? DonP Mar 2015 #48

Probably still upset his GD post got locked as META within 15 minutes Lurks Often Mar 2015 #49

Ooooh, I missed that DonP Mar 2015 #50

Here is the post Lurks Often Mar 2015 #55

Hmmm? Maybe a new behavior pattern emerging - twice in a week now DonP Mar 2015 #58

Hell he stalked me by PM Duckhunter935 May 2016 #91

Iove it when he whines like that Duckhunter935 May 2016 #90

Lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #89

Genuinely curious sarisataka Mar 2015 #47

What is it with you not being able to answer a question directly? eom. GGJohn Mar 2015 #68

Good question Duckhunter935 May 2016 #92

someone who sat through the whole thing gejohnston Mar 2015 #7

"gun fanciers are still celebrating Zman walking free" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #8

Damn!!!! GGJohn Mar 2015 #9

to bad he had to fail at facts 101 Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #10

When it comes to the firearm issue, GGJohn Mar 2015 #11

true, and he has a "safe haven" Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #12

re: "...laws down in Florida..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #15

very true Duckhunter935 Mar 2015 #16

No, Zimmerman is a racist, gun-stalking, cold-blooded murderer. stone space May 2016 #80

Would you be willing to place oneshooter May 2016 #86

I am not a murderer. stone space May 2016 #88

You murder logic with impunity quite frequently, hereabouts. N/T beevul May 2016 #94

Lies. Straw Man May 2016 #95

That is your favorite word, lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #103

Who, me? Straw Man May 2016 #109

Yep, should have been to Stoney Duckhunter935 May 2016 #110

What lie? oneshooter May 2016 #97

How many other people given a fair trial do you want incarcerated? Lurks Often May 2016 #98

Zimmerman is a racist cold blooded murderer, and his DU supporters are trolls. stone space May 2016 #100

More personals attacks from you, just shows that you don't understand criminal law Lurks Often May 2016 #101

How is that a personal attack? Folks who support cold-blooded murder are trolls. stone space May 2016 #104

Quick! You need to alert Skinner in ATA to all the Trolls on his website you've found! DonP May 2016 #107

Lol, he did when he was mad at me for posting his unwanted PMs Duckhunter935 May 2016 #111

Uh oh, what did I miss? N/T beevul May 2016 #118

Let me hunt down the posts Duckhunter935 May 2016 #123

here, hasd to post down thread as he accused me of harrassment Duckhunter935 May 2016 #142

Thats rich. beevul May 2016 #150

And he posted an outright lie in this post I had to correct Duckhunter935 May 2016 #151

*Snort* beevul May 2016 #115

Only he wasn't convicted Lurks Often May 2016 #108

You know what else is a "simple statement of fact"? TeddyR May 2016 #113

No, Zimmerman IS a racist cold-blooded murderer. stone space May 2016 #116

Answer the question TeddyR May 2016 #119

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want jailed? Lurks Often May 2016 #120

Lol, wrong again Duckhunter935 May 2016 #124

WTF??? Why should my students sue me? How have I committed "malpractice"? stone space May 2016 #134

My post stated the reason Duckhunter935 May 2016 #135

I voted "other." Zimmerman broke no current laws, and I'm not sure if the laws need... Eleanors38 Mar 2015 #43

^^^ exactamundo discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #45

It is not against the law for a white man to stalk and murder a black teenager wearing a hoodie Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #51

What??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #52

I've been watching the courts for years, and in most cases such murders are unpunished. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #53

Thanks for your vote and opinion discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2015 #54

Would you feel the same if the races were reversed? n/t oneshooter Mar 2015 #65

It isn't a feeling. It is a fact of modern life in the USA. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #66

Would you "feel" the same about this if the races were reversed. oneshooter Mar 2015 #67

The races aren't going to be reversed. We are discussing reality not a fantasy novel. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #69

you mean mixed race Hispanic privilege? gejohnston Mar 2015 #70

Check "White Priveledge." Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #73

Yeah gejohnston Mar 2015 #74

Actualy it describes racism here in the USA. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #75

I did check it out gejohnston Mar 2015 #76

It amazes me just how much support Zimmerman has in this forum. stone space May 2016 #77

Zimmerman was and is a Dumbass in my opinion... mackdaddy May 2016 #82

thanks for your vote discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #125

Zimmerman gets no support in this forum. ManiacJoe May 2016 #128

In what other DU group would 62% of respondents say Zman acted reasonably? stone space May 2016 #133

How many other people given a fair trial and found not guilty do you want incarcerated? Lurks Often May 2016 #140

Funny, never could get an answer Duckhunter935 May 2016 #145

Because it would show his complete lack of understanding Lurks Often May 2016 #147

If the case hadn't been politicized, gejohnston May 2016 #146

Claiming that Zimmerman acted reasonably is an opinion, not a fact. stone space May 2016 #155

The jury disagreed with you, as do most people who understand criminal law Lurks Often May 2016 #156

there is an objective standard for reasonableness gejohnston May 2016 #157

Time to resave the list. I see that it is changing from last time I copied it. stone space May 2016 #79

it is an empirical question gejohnston May 2016 #81

Gunz and ammo in the hands are civilians is a bad thing. ileus May 2016 #83

I voted "other." He broke no laws, but he blurred the line twixt neighborhood patrol... Eleanors38 May 2016 #84

I would contend that the only reason why this poll scores majority support for Zimmerman... stone space May 2016 #93

Are you suggesting ... Straw Man May 2016 #96

Of course he is. Its not like its ambiguous. beevul May 2016 #99

Many practice runs, Duckhunter935 May 2016 #106

He all but called me a racist Duckhunter935 May 2016 #105

Are you calling everyone who responded to the poll TeddyR May 2016 #114

"The responce rate of racists" Big_Mike May 2016 #130

WTF??? Does it make you feel superior to call me "mentally limited"? stone space May 2016 #132

You are the one that all but called me and others racist Duckhunter935 May 2016 #137

Stop harassing me. stone space May 2016 #138

Why are you against free speech? Lurks Often May 2016 #139

I expect he will run away again Duckhunter935 May 2016 #143

He has a strong aversion to facts and the truth Lurks Often May 2016 #144

Yet, I am the harrasser, lol Duckhunter935 May 2016 #148

Oh, you want to go there again, OK Duckhunter935 May 2016 #141

Oh good grief. beevul May 2016 #149

Wow, we'll stated Duckhunter935 May 2016 #136

Thank you Big_Mike May 2016 #152

Polite seems to be the way, I have found Duckhunter935 May 2016 #153

Likewise, and I understand completely. n/t Big_Mike May 2016 #154

I'm torn between A & C tularetom May 2016 #127

Zimmerman's actions were not illegal and were not reasonable. ManiacJoe May 2016 #129