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sharedvalues

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Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:10 AM Nov 2017

The GOP has destroyed truth in American public debate ("America is facing an epistemic crisis") [View all]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

This is perhaps the best -- and most important -- article I have read all year. Because it gets at the root cause of our current democratic crisis.

America is facing an epistemic crisis
What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn’t matter?


Say Mueller reveals hard proof that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with Russia, strategically using leaked emails to hurt Clinton’s campaign. Say the president — backed by the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Fox News, Breitbart, most of the US Cabinet, half the panelists on CNN, most of the radio talk show hosts in the country, and an enormous network of Russian-paid hackers and volunteer shitposters working through social media — rejects the evidence.

...

In short, what if Mueller proves the case and it’s not enough? What if there is no longer any evidentiary standard that could overcome the influence of right-wing media?



The US conservative movement’s rejection of the mainstream institutions devoted to gathering and disseminating knowledge (journalism, science, the academy) — the ones society has appointed as referees in matters of factual dispute.

In their place, the right has created its own parallel set of institutions, most notably its own media ecosystem.

But the right’s institutions are not of the same kind as the ones they seek to displace. Mainstream scientists and journalists see themselves as beholden to values and standards that transcend party or faction. They try to separate truth from tribal interests and have developed various guild rules and procedures to help do that. They see themselves as neutral arbiters, even if they do not always uphold that ideal in practice.

But the right did not want better neutral arbiters. The institutions it built scarcely made any pretense of transcending faction; they are of and for the right. There is nominal separation of conservative media from conservative politicians, think tanks, and lobbyists, but in practice, they are all part of the conservative movement. They are prosecuting its interests; that is the ur-goal.

Indeed, the far right rejects the very idea of neutral, binding arbiters; there is only Us and Them.


As Brian Beutler wrote in a scathing piece recently, the mainstream media has never learned to deal with the right-wing bubble — it has not learned how not to take bad-faith lies seriously.

And now we will all reap the consequences.



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Thanks for posting. ariadne0614 Nov 2017 #1
It's a good thing that is a figure of speech. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2017 #6
During the early days of the "Cuban missle crissis in 1962 ", ladjf Nov 2017 #2
I've been playing that story in my head since Trump was elected. I love JFK. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #5
Since Reagan was elected... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2017 #12
You are preaching to the choir. I am aware of what the Dulles brothers did. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #13
Well, then... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2017 #18
Yes if we told the entire Dulles story, we would be run off the forum. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #19
Terrifying. Thanks? Shanti Mama Nov 2017 #3
Extremely important read/point being made. I am sure - hope! - many of us here realize it. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2017 #4
Read this. Read this. Read this. Read It...Read It...Read It... n/t TygrBright Nov 2017 #7
I read this yesterday, and it confirms my worst-case scenario. cos dem Nov 2017 #8
Corporate media is much more interested in controversy and horse races than truth. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #9
People have been trained to accept switcheroos & gish-gallops as part of media discourse. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #10
Even with all facts and/or evidence is presented DK504 Nov 2017 #11
This article shows why: bc right wing media lies to them sharedvalues Nov 2017 #21
Iraq war hibbing Nov 2017 #14
Here's an even longer article on the same topic by the same author Fiendish Thingy Nov 2017 #15
Rove said it back in the Bush years: "We create our own reality." dgauss Nov 2017 #16
George Lakoff and Paul Krugman were shouting about it sharedvalues Nov 2017 #22
I agree - think it's at the root of the malaise I feel that started with Bush's 2 bagelsforbreakfast Nov 2017 #17
... raven mad Nov 2017 #20
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